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True God: (1 John 5:20) - This is a direct assertion that Jesus, being the true God, is not only divine, but is the Divine. Because the Bible says there is only one God, this is describing His nature as part of the triune God.

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." The Son is called "God."

I Am: ( John 8:58, with Exodus 3:14) - When Jesus ascribed to Himself this title, the Jews tried to stone Him for blasphemy.

2 Pet. 1:1 "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:"

"our God and our Saviour"

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Severe penalty for denying Jesus.

Matthew 10:22, 2 Thessalonians 2:10.

The same account recorded in : Matthew 3:17,

Mark 1:11, context Mark 1, Luke 3:22, 2Peter 1:16-18, 1st hand account, witnessed

Also, Luke 9:34 context Luke 9:27-36, Mark 9:7, context Mark 9, Matthew 17:5, context Matthew 17, Luke 3,

Romans 8, 1John 4:15, Galatians 4:7, 1John 5:10,13,20,

Hopefully these are helpful

Here are some scriptures in that regard:

Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5, 1Samuel 15:35, Job 10:21,22, Job 34:22, Job 38:17, Revelation 2:7, Luke 23:33-43, Luke 16:19-31, Psalms 6:5, Psalms 48:14, Psalms 49:14, Ecclesiastes 8:8, Isaiah 38:18, Romans 7, 2Corinthians 7:10,

Psalms 56:13, Psalms 89:48, Proverbs 10:2, Proverbs 14:27, Ecclesiastes 9:4,

Psalms 116:15, Proverbs 14:32, Isaiah 9:2, Isaiah 25:8, Hosea 13:14, Luke 18:33, John 8:51, John 5:24, Acts 2:24-27, Romans 5:10-21, Romans 6:2-23, Romans 8, 2Timothy 1:10, 1John 3:14,

Jeremiah 21:8, Ezekiel 18:31,32, 1Corinthians 15:20-58, Revelation 1:18,

Hebrews 2:9-18, Revelation 20, Revelation 21,

My walk in the LORD GOD should always be "salted" in the joy I have because of CHRIST JESUS in me. As I adhere unto the things of GOD, I can be assured that the LORD will hear and answer my prayers and supplication. 1 John 5: 14, 15

At this junction, our country is facing grave and dangerous outcomes with our current leaders and the direction we are heading with their current economic, social, and religious ideologies. I must go before the LORD as depicted in

2 Chronicles 7:14, 15.

The disciples asked the LORD JESUS why they couldn't heal the demon possessed boy, and the HE replied "Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting." Matthew 17: 21 If I desire healing for our land and country, I must become "salt" and turn from the leaven and honey; and praise the LORD in HIS great commission. If I am of CHRIST, then I must set my "...affections on things above and not on this earth..."

I must be willing to present my body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto my GOD. "...And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

Romans 12: 1, 2

I write this post to remind myself of what I need to do and where my devotion unto my LORD stands at this point in my walk with HIM.

I praise the LORD for all the saints on this forum and their love for the LORD JESUS CHRIST. The sharing, declaring, and proclaiming the precious things the LORD has done for you is certainly encouraging for me to read and glorify HIM.

Numbers 6

24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

The LORD to lift all who love HIM and await HIS soon and imminent coming. Titus 2: 11-15

September 26, 2022

John 5:2, Bethesda

Hey Someone, who cares,

Who is an antichrist? Christ is a translation of the Greek word Christos which means anointed one. The Hebrew word is Mashiach translated Messiah which means the anointed one, the chosen one. One who God fixed for a specific purpose set apart to fulfill God's plan.

Jesus said many times that He/Him sent me, Matt. 10:40 Mark 9:37 Luke 10:16 John 5:30 and many more times. Also, Jesus said He came down from heaven not to do His will but to do the will of Him who sent Him in John 6:38, and Jesus said this in John 6:35-40.

We see when Jesus was baptized, He was anointed not with oil but with the Holy Spirit/Ghost, Matt 3:16 Mark 1:10 Luke 3:22 John 1:32, and John 3:34-36 Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit without measure. Peter confesses and puts clear the Messiah/Christ, and the miracles, wonders, and signs God did by Him Acts 2:22, also read 23-39.

"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit", manifest Greek word phanero; revealed, made known, 1 Timothy 3:16 John 17:1-8. God gave His only begotten Son, God sent His Son who was come in the flesh, tempted as you or me, and the spirit of antichrist is denying that is true, John 3:16 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7. Christ is not part of Jesus name it is a title, Jesus is the Messiah, Jesus is the Christ.

A liar is he who denies or says Jesus is not the Christ/Messiah, and he is an antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. If we deny the Son, we have not the Father but if we acknowledge the Son we have the Father also, 1 John 2:18-24. You must come to your own understanding not mine, with open mind, prayer, and the Holy Spirit guiding you, you will.

These verses about the antichrist paint a picture of a deceptive seducing spirit and the people that have been deceived, just like Eve 2 Cor. 11:3. My understanding of these verses does not refer to the beast that will ascend out of the bottomless pit that has come to be called the antichrist.

God bless,

RLW

Hello, not sure of your motives or beliefs through your comment, but here are some verses for you.

John 4:24 - God is a spirit

John 1 - Jesus was the Word and the Word is God. He was there in the beginning and made everything (verse 3)

1 John 5:7

What I take out of this is God the Father is a spirit, God the Son is a spirit, the Holy Ghost is a spirit.

God the Son took on the flesh and was a man temporary. A vocal minority falsely assumes Jesus was a man first, but John 1:3 debunks that.

I believe human beings are also spirits. We are not our bodies, but just temporarily inhabit them. 1 Corinthians 15:44

Hello Adam.

Adding to the other posts.

At the end of His prayer Jesus asked God NOT to do according to Jesus' Will but according to His own Will. Matthew 26:39 "...nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."

So it is not a matter of faith but a matter of asking something that is according to God's Will. And His Will was that Jesus was going to be sacrificed for the salvation of people. So in that sence God answered Jesus' prayer.

1 John 5:14

"And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, he heareth us:"

GBU

Praise the LORD for all on this forum. It is great to read of all the comments and different view points and the general discussions. This particular chapter brings to mind of our own peculiar circumstances now in 2022. No matter what we are going through, the LORD knows who each and every one of us are in HIM.

When we come out of it, as the children of Israel did come out of Egypt, we will be numerous and "spiritually" wealthy in then LORD JESUS CHRIST. I am encouraged to watch my LORD work on our behalf, as we carry out HIS commission. Matthew 28: 18-20; John 15:7,8; 1 John 5:14

May our leaders find mercy, grace and faith in GOD'S salvation and lean on HIS wisdom and direction. Proverbs 3: 3-13

Let us stand together in CHRIST our LORD and pray diligently for the peace of Jerusalem as well our own nation. Ps 122:6; 1 Timothy 2:1-4

GOD to shine HIS face on all who worship and praise HIS Holy Name.

September 13, 2022

Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

"mighty God" = Jesus as a baby is called God.

Titus 2:13-14 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."

"God and our Savior Jesus Christ"

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

"God was manifest in the flesh" = this is Jesus, who was manifest in the flesh. John 1:14

Revelation 19:13-16

"his name is called The Word of God" = Jesus.

"and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." = Jesus

"And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." = Jesus

John 1:1 clearly says the "Word was God."

"Lord" also means deity or God.

"But Jesus prayed to God so how can He be God?"

Because the Bible says He is. Jesus has always been Jn 1:2 and relegated Himself to become a temporary man in the flesh prayed to God the Father. Just because He prayed as a temporary man does not automatically mean He wasn't God, the Son. 1 John 5:7

Philippians 2:9-11

"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Hi Gregory. If I have your question correct, 'now that I am a believer trusting in Jesus only to save me from sin's penalty, when did the promise of eternal life with the Father in Heaven commence?'

If correct, it is my belief that the promise of eternal life began immediately upon your new birth by God's Spirit. When we look at the Scriptures referring to eternal life, we see that it is synonymous to believing/placing one's trust in the Lord. John 3:36: "He that believeth on the Son HATH everlasting life." John 5:24: "He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, HATH everlasting life." John 6:47: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me HATH everlasting life."

1 John 5:11-13: "And this is the record, that God HATH GIVEN to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that HATH the Son HATH life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW THAT YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

All these verses indicate that eternal life is our present possession, i.e. 'you have it NOW'. As soon as our hearts were renewed & the Holy Spirit came to indwell us, our sin was dealt with, we became God's children, and our earthly walk was no longer uncertain, overcome with sin & living without hope in God's Love. And that is why the Apostle Paul stated in Philippians 3:20, "For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ". Paul understood that our conversation (Gk. politeuma: citizenship) had already begun in the heavenlies; that our earthly life now, is just an earthly sojourn - "our affections are set on things above, not on Earth" and "for here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come."

When once this earthly life was probably our only joy & hope, now IN CHRIST, we are but pilgrims here, gazing upward, confident & secure towards eternity.

Scripture on when we die: John 3:16, John 5:24, Romans 5, Romans 6, 2Corinthians 1:9,10, 2Timothy 1:10, 1Peter 3:18, Revelation 1:17,18

Luke 16:19-31, Matthew 25:31-46, Ezekiel 18:4-32, Luke 20:36-38, Hebrews 9:27-28, James 5:20, 1John 3:14,

John 11:25,26, Romans 8:13, Romans 8, Romans 14:8, 1Corinthians 15:22, 1Corinthians 15,

Revelation 14:12,13, Revelation 2:10,11, Revelation 20:6,13,14, Revelation 21, Revelation 22,

Hebrews 11:5,

Hopefully these are helpful

Hi Marsha. There are many verses that speak of, or allude, to the Triunity of God, i.e. God manifesting Himself to us in three Persons. But if you're looking for a single verse, then 1 John 5:7 fits the bill: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Of course, the Word given here is Jesus, Who is the Word of God made flesh for the suffering of death ( John 1:1-14; Revelation 19:11-13).

Lazarus, John 11, your question about those who came out of the graves, what happened to them:

1Samuel 2:6,

Matthew 27:52,53, 1Corinthians 15, Matthew 22:31,32, also, Luke 7:15,22, Luke 8:49-56, Luke 24, Colossians 1

Did you see it prophesy in:? Ezekiel 37:12,13, John 5:21,25,28, Isaiah 26:19,

Hosea 13:14, possibly Isaiah 8:1, Psalms 88:10,

John 12:1-11,

Romans 6, Romans 8, Revelation 20,

John 11:25, Romans 10:9, Romans 14:7,8,9, 2Corinthians 1:9,

Hopefully these are all helpful in answering your question & deeper questions you & others may have on the subject

Jane,

Yes, Amen! God always keeps His promises. John 5:15 says, "And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:"

That's a factual statement. He hears us. God will answer every prayer that is asked when we ask for His will to be done, guaranteed!

So, we can have complete confidence that if we ask for God's will to be done in whatever it is we are asking Him for, the promise is that He hears us, and He will answer that prayer if it's asked according to His will. Sometimes the answer is not what we expect, but we can be satisfied that our prayer was answered, and it was answered according to His will which is always going to be perfect!

God always answers prayer. Always. It may not be what we ask for--or when we ask for Him to grant it--because He knows what we need and when we need it better than we do. Continue to pray and wait upon the Lord. He will not fail you.1 John 5:14 - And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

God bless!

Paul. All truth that you seek are in scripture the bible John 5:39 the main

subject of the scripture is the gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. So if

You seek the truth there is no other book on earth that has spiritually the

Truth.

Dere:

Salvation is so YOU will never die; but are GIVEN eternal life.

1 John 5:11 And this is the record, God hath GIVEN to us eternal LIFE, and THAT LIFE is his SON.

YOU DIED with Christ on the cross.

YOU AROSE, a new creation, the LIFE of Christ IN YOU: you are the body of Christ.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who (Christ) ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light ....

1 Corinthians 15:53 .....and this mortal (you) SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY .....Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY.

1 Corinthians 15:54 .....Death is swallowed up in victory ......

Colossians 1:27 .....this MYSTERY .....Christ in YOU .....

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the BODY of Christ ....

Psalms 82:6 I have said, YOU are gods, the children of the most high.

This is the GOOD NEWS of the gospel.

God bless you!

Hi Alex. In Matthew 4:8-10, we read, "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

In this specific test that Satan placed before Jesus, we note that Jesus didn't oppose Satan on the point of "All these things will I give thee", but on the point of 'falling down & worshipping him (Satan)'. Even though God is the Creator & Sustainer of the World & will always have full authority over all His Creation, the advent of sin into mankind which also affects the rest of creation, Satan is now in the seat of control over the hearts & minds of men ( 2 Timothy 2:26; 1 John 5:19). He has captivated our hearts by the deceitfulness of sin, men given over wholly to him, and only by the presentation of the Life-giving Gospel can those same sinners have a spark of Holy Light enter in that can upset Satan's plans & strong grip.

So, presently the World is under Satan's control & deception, as he blinds hearts & minds to the Truth of the Gospel, but God still has the final say & of course the ultimate victory when Satan will one day be bound & destined to that eternal flame and the new heavens & earth arrive, without the stain of corruption ( Revelation 20:10-15; Revelation 21:1-3).

Yes Steve, 1 John 5:7 says, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one", is the best singular verse that succinctly describes the Triune God. Then to humanly fathom such a Being as God Who can send Himself forth to accomplish His Purposes (as His Word & Holy Spirit) & not be deficient or destroy Himself in any way, becomes a difficulty for many - hence the on-going debates on this important subject.

Revelation 6:1-2 the white horse.

There are two basic interpretations of the white horse that of being Antichrist (which I subscribe to); or Christ. Because Post-Millennials (who think that the church is currently fulfilling the 1000 year reign; clearly symbolically with almost 2000 years since the crucifixion) ascribe this conquering king to Christ they also take the time frame in Revelation as having been at least partially fulfilled. This is due to the belief in only one general Resurrection (despite obvious differences in the descriptions); jamming everything related to the events of the Second coming to those of the Great White Throne judgment; in other words no time frame after Armageddon for an earthly reign of Christ; and an immediate new heaven and earth. This forces clear verses in Isaiah about a man dying at less than 100 being accursed; other verses about those who don't worship the Lord not having rain; and of course a literal rebuilt Temple. With this mindset at an extreme level we find those who are into the Dominionist mindset; that Christ can't return or won't until things keep getting more and more Christian and better and better. Often a literal Antichrist isn't believed in at all; which begs the question for those not spiritually discerned if they will believe that he indeed IS the Christ. Full Preterists who think He is already here in some form will fall for it no doubt.

Further supplementing my point is the common thread whether in Islam with the 12th Imam; the New Age Maitreya; or the Jews who Christ stated point blank would believe another coming in his own name ( John 5:43). He will be another great orator like Hitler; conqueror like Napolean; and therefore fulfill the statements made by the Club of Rome in 1957 about "whether God or the devil we will receive him" when discussing the need for a leader to rule.

It is clear from Daniel and other prophecies that there is yet a final future ruler to come.

Hello Texsis, I am happy i can share with you.

your first question:

It all about what the Bible says.

So we have the same punishment for sin. ref Romans 6:23-for the wages of SIN is death... this means sin is sin and it has the same punishment. Remember even in the garden off Eden as Adam and Eve ate of the tree of good and evil God pre warned that the day they eat from that tree they will surely die.

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James 2:10-11. when we break one part of the law it deemed as breaking the whole law. Death has always been the punishment but we have consequences of our sins. ref:1 John 5:17 "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death

your second question:

well i haven't come across the exact word you used LIE-MURDERER but 1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

when you hate your brother you CAN lie about him also.

i will remember your son in prayers too. Amen

When Christ answered Nicodemus about being born again, He told him that a man must be born of water and Spirit to enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus qualifies this by saying that which is flesh or of the earth which is water is flesh. And, that which is born of Spirit is Spirit or from above heaven.

1 John 5: 6-8. Jesus came by water and blood. We are covered by His blood. When the soldier pierced Jesus's side out came blood and water. Water proves that Jesus was truly the Son of Man from earth. That's why we are to test the Spirits to see if they believe that Christ came in the flesh or believe that He was born of earth. We that believe this are of the Spirit of Christ. Those that do not believe this are of the Spirit of the anti-Christ and there are many.

Christ says He has a baptism to baptize you with. For He comes to baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with Fire.

Hope this helps and have a blessed day!

I'd like to ask a question directed at anyone who believes Jesus isn't God the Son or a part of any Godhead and may be open to responding. I come in peace to ask a question for my own understanding and I won't respond to this thread as I know how passionate the discussions on this topic can become.

The regular brothers and sisters here probably know that I believe Jesus is God the Son, because of what it says in John 1:1, 1 John 5:7, etc. I feel lead to defend Jesus when I sometimes see comments denying His divinity, especially if to influence newer believers, but I won't post again here.

My question is: do you believe Jesus as the Son of God has any % of God the Father in Him? If so, what %?

In human terms, most of us understand that when a father has a son that about 50% of his DNA and genes will come from the father, and 50% from the mother. Because there is no mention of the Son of God having a mother, one may presume that most of any inherited traits may have come from God the Father through some kind of miraculous act.

Basically, if you don't believe Jesus is God, do you believe that any % of God-ness may have been inherited from God the Father (and what scripture says)?

God bless.

Read 1 Thess. 4. It is the clearest text about the Second Coming and what happens when you die. The dead come from the grave and meet the Lord in the air. Also consider this. When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, John 11, if he was in Heaven Jesus brought him back so the Pharases could kill him. John 12:10 Jesus said "he sleeps when He was addressing comments regarding Lazarus' death. Everyone is in the grave until the resurrection of the just or the resurrection of the unjust. John 5:28-29

Hey Giannis,

Thanks, I agree, many will burn in the lake of fire, but no one will be cast into it until Rev. 20:15 not before. I believe this is a parable and you do not and that's ok. If we look at the context, Jesus was directing it to the Pharisees who was highly educated, who was being snooty.

I agree the story fits Greek mythology but in the Old or New Testament scripture does not support an after-death place we go before resurrection; I have not found one verse that says we, as man, go or are taken to heaven. Do you know one?

My understanding of scripture death is sleep; scripture tells us there is no knowledge of time until we are resurrected. Greek philosophy of death from Socrates, Plato, death is the separation of the soul/spirit from the body that is falsely said to be immortal. This has (in my understanding) intertwined into Christianity teaching.

There is only one group of angels that are locked in chains of darkness, the ones in 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6. These left their own habitation, and God locked them in darkness for what they did against God's creation. Satan, other fallen angels, and devils/demons are on this earth even today.

In Matt. 27 it just seemed different to use another word for resurrection than the Greek word "anastasis" used all the other times for resurrection. It was John 5:25 When Jesus said the hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and shall live. These are the ones I believe when Jesus cried out came out of their graves. John 5:28-29 will be the final resurrection. Hope that makes since.

The different times in Mark and John I will have to go with everything else that was written. There is not a contradiction between John and Mark, Jesus was nailed to the cross and stood up on the 3rd hour, 9AM the same time the first lamb of the Tamid was put on the altar on Passover day, the preparation day for the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a sabbath day.

God bless,

RLW

Hi James.

Maybe? Hebrews 10:5-10 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Or perhaps John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

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Part 2

Ronald

Now in verse Matthew 27:53 the word "egersis" literally means "rising" and is another way of saying resurrection, like rising from the dead. If I understand well, you mean that those people that were resurrected were the ones that Jesus meant in John 5:28-29 so as to prove to Jews that He is the Son of God? Right? But verse 29 says "And shall (the resurrected people) come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." So it seems to me that Jesus talks about the future resurrection of the dead and the consequent judgement. Anyway ...

Now I also have a question. What time was Jesus crucified? In Mark 15:25 it says 3rd hour, that is 6+3=9 o'cock in the morning. Right? But in John 19:14, it is 6th hour (12 at noon) and Jesus is still standing infront of Pilatus.

GBU

Predestination and John 10

This entire chapter is based on the Pharisees; a blind man, the Disciples and a few others and Christ as revealed to them. along In a verse from the next chapter; Jesus states believe me; or if not at least on the WORKS I do ( John 10:38). Jesus selected or elected this man for healing; without him asking first which is noteworthy.

Verse 2 starts out with the Disciples themselves blindly following a superstitious idea that someone had to have sinned in order for the man to be in this condition. This at least partially could have been a logical concept since others had been healed who were told not to sin lest a worse thing happen to them; for instance from John 5:14. Jesus answered this "one size fits all" concept of the fate of this man by giving God's glory as a reason; as well as a prophetic hint perhaps partially fulfilled at His crucifixion; with a final one after the end of the Age of Grace in v. 4-5.

After he followed simple instructions; first his neighbors asked what had happened and if it was Him; then the Pharisees with their usual condemnation of Sabbath Day healings, they checked with the parents who verified his identity then sent him back to them; then further discourse as to Christ's character and repeated questions actually got the blind man to realize that Christ could not be a sinner as no man could do this miracle in that case. This led to him being thrown out of the synagogue; His revelation and acceptance and worship of Christ as SOn of God. Then comes the end where the Pharisees are told they remain in sin and the blind man sees spiritually and physically.

Therefore; despite continuing evidence of God's divine nature in Christ's actions; the blind Pharisees continue to be blinded by the god of this world to Christ as Lord and Savior.

Hey Giannis,

Hope you don't mind, I read your posts. I do not know if you read my post to Gary in this thread, but you commented on the Greek words in the, (my understanding a parable) Luke 16. And you spoke on Matt. 27:51-52. My understanding of this comes from what John wrote of what Jesus said.

In John 8 they were pressing Jesus who He was, and He said this in vs. 28 he does nothing of Himself, but He said when you have lifted up the Son of Man then you will know I am He. Then In John 5:25-29 Jesus said the hour is coming and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God and they shall live. Now is not later Jesus is saying now which He is talking about what is written in Matt. 27.

In vs 28 Jesus said marvel not at this for the hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice, (but He did not say and now is). This goes to your comment on the final resurrection, but I will not comment on that now.

In Matthew 27 Jesus had been hanging on that cross since 9 AM going on 6 hours, and I am sure He was going in and out of consciousness and when Jesus cried out for the last time, He may have come to which in my understanding refers to the word resurrection used in vs 53. You will know the Greek better than me, but it is a different word than the other words used for resurrection. it is egersis, meaning resurgence not necessarily from death.

But my understanding is when Jesus cried out all these things happened, the veil of the temple rent, earthquake, the rocks rent, and the graves were opened, many bodies of the saints which slept arose and went into the city and appeared to many. As you said like Lazarus.

To me vs 54 confirms what Jesus said in John 8:28 truly this was the Son of God. Many knew they just killed the Son of God. "Then shall ye know that I am He"

God bless,

RLW