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Grae,

Christ did save us but we have to indeed repent of our sins! Believing without repenting is useless. We must be born again and live anew!

I agree we are all sinners to some degree. So does that mean we should NOT strive to be sin free? Jesus believes we can stop sinning, if not, why would he instruct the adulteress to "sin no more" in this scripture below:

John 8:11

"She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Below, Jesus told the invalid that he just healed to "stop sinning" or something worse would happen to him.

John 5:14

"Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

Why would Jesus tell these people to stop sinning if he didn't feel they could do it? The answer is that with His help and His Holy Spirit we can overcome much sin!

Read and believe!

Hi Brother Spencer,

Always nice to hear from you.

You stated: Christ didn't come to keep being crucified every time we break one because we can't keep them perfectly.

I agree, Christ died once for us. Because of this, we now have the ability to receive forgiveness for sins from God thru the sacrifice of his Son Jesus. Herein lies the problem; Many people today mistakenly think that WE have no other responsibility for our salvation! They say Jesus did it all - and now we can live our worldly lives and still receive salvation. But all of the scripture tells us otherwise. Even Paul states that we must strive to work out our salvation. Philippians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

Jesus tells us throughout the bible we must try to keep his commandments, and strive to be sin free. Jesus heals the invalid and then tells him - to sin no more! John 5:14 "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

In summary, we must follow Jesus/God's commands (10 Commandments) and work out our own salvation - if we expect to receive his favorable judgement.

God Bless.

The descendants of Ephraim were said to be related to a son of Joseph with Asenath who was given to him by Pharaoh. Apparently, Manasseh was one of the descendants; and they were involved more with the Northern Kingdom and later disbanded. In any event; wherever the 12 tribes are in Israel today; the final treaty with "death and hell" (no doubt the Daniel 9:27 treaty)

(v.18) will be broken. Surely the cornerstone in verse 16 when ignored will bring Antichrist; and Christ Himself warned that they would accept one with his own name ( John 5:43). Their attempt to bring about a king; no doubt of Messianic Davidic decent will be brought to fruition with the bad fruit of this imposter. It is hard to say if the general drunken state will bring about the spiritual seduction that is implied here with the false prophets in verse 7 directly resulting in this deception; or if there is a general lack of discernment forseeing this event.

Verses 18 through 20 show the destruction coming; and the rest of the verses could have harvests that have a hidden meaning as to the firstfruits; then Christ at His coming comparing the rapture and later resurrection(s) to harvests-this is seen perhaps best with the barley harvest being first; and a wheat harvest (Tribulum) being a different process thrrough the fire as it were to extract the good grain. Other verses show the grape harvest; the trodding down as in Armageddon; as the final one; corresponding with bowl judgments in some respect.

In addition I think of the Earthquake while Jesus was on the cross, also fitting. Matthew 27:51-54, Luke 23:44-47, Mark 13:24,

Recently I was studying the words Jesus said "Moses wrote of ME'' John 5:46, & I've been amazed how many times I've found references for sure understanding now, clearly there I hadn't seen beforehand.

Jesus was the word of God are you trying to imply Lord God is Jesus, everything was created by him, how was everything created. God spoke, John wrote, and the word became flesh, God created everything with His word when he spoke,1 John 5:7

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Maybe once God created the heavens and Erath he also became the Lord over all he created that is what it appears to be, before he created anything there was nothing to be Lord over, some believe that when he created man male and female in ch 1 he created the human race and ch 1 he created Adam because Adams children took wives after leaving the garden, where did those wives come from unless there were others on the earth. We also see further in Genesis that the sons of God told wives of the children of men. So was there a human race out side of the Garden we know there was the rest of the world outside of it did that include beast and men we see pretty quickly after Adam came out other nations and peoples.. I always quote this verse, now we see thru a glass darkly and in part.............so we know we aren't given the full accounts in God's word Jesus told Paul in the vision some words are unlawful to speak, and John in the Revelation could not open the book but ate it and it was sweet to the tongue but bitter to the stomach.

King James Version (KJV) and when that which will comes appears i will know even as I am known so I guess after Jesus comes, we'll find everything out

John 3:16; John 5:24; John 6:37-40,47; John 10:27-29; Romans 6:23; Romans 8:38,39; 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 2:8; Ephesians 4:30; Hebrews 13:5; 1 John 5:11-13; Jude 1:24 - are a few examples, all promising the true child of God that his/her salvation is secure forever.

Yet 1 John 3:7-10 reveals the two-faced 'Christian': having every appearance of serving God, but has sin dominating his life; living carelessly & not carefully.

Sister Donna,

Amen.

1 John 5:2-3

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous

God Bless.

Dear Antonio James on Hebrews 3 and all the rest :).

Thanks for the reminder from the Hebrews.

1 John 3.10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Isaiah 51:2 Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him."

2 Peter 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

2 Timothy 4.7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

John 5:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

One night while laying bed and praying I was overcome by the Spirit, and I started speaking rather praying in tongues the next thing I know is that it was morning and I had prayed in tongues the whole night. So, I know they do exist are a sign of having the Holy Ghost, Baptism of the Holy Ghost. Now as far as interpretations and Prophesying I'm sure it exists but knowing whether the person is really doing it I don't know if you can tell. I've attended Churches that do it speak and interpret it felt strange. I can tell you this that all gifts and answers to prayers depend on our righteousness, James 5:16

"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

King James Version (KJV)

I suggest you do a word search on tongues and study it, comparing all the verses which pertain to it and pray because many times when I have a question on scripture it's revealed at a later time while I'm reading or sometime while praying. But the most important thing is obeying God's word, but one must know it to obey. Here are some verses to help you in understanding God's word: 2 Timothy 2:15, John 14:26, 1 John 2:27, Romans 12:1 I'm not sure why or how I begun speaking in tongues, but I do know it's a sign of having the Holy ghost as we see happen in ACTS, In ACTS there is a verse that says in reference to it that says they only yet believe and have not received the Holy ghost as we. I believe that if you are truly saved the baptism of the Holy Ghost happens so the believing in Jesus is emphasized by believing it in your heart, like it's real, knowing it with doubt. John 5:39

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

faith without works is dead, read, study, pray, and serve God, faithfulness in whatever you do, do it as unto the Lord not man. Obedience.

Yes, Revelation 7, Acts 21:20, 1 John 5:13, Acts 14:1, 2 Chronicles 20:20, here are a few scriptures, hopefully these are helpful.

Hello Utibe. The one who has been truly saved & has God's Spirit in them, can never be lost back into Satan's domain. These people will remain faithful to their Lord, suffering all things for His sake, & hating even the smell of sin entering their lives. There are many 'Christians' who faithfully attend a Fellowship, witness to others & give every appearance of being saved, but when adversity comes or even when committing sin isn't all that important, they fall away, turning their backs to the One they once called their Saviour. The Lord knows who belongs to Him; 2 Timothy 2:19, "the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

Here are some Scriptures showing God's Part in saving & securing those who have truly repented & turned from a life of sin - being born again of His Spirit:

John 10:27-29; Ephesians 1:13,14; Ephesians 4:30; 2 Corinthians 5:17; 1 Peter 1:3-5; 1 John 5:13; Romans 8:33-39.

But there is also the other side, where some Scriptures seem to indicate that a Christian can apostatize, such as:

1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; 2 Peter 2:20-22; Hebrews 3:12.

But the ultimate test of real faith is when our love, even our lives hang in the balance. Will we deny Christ - will we save our lives rather than lose it for Jesus? Many 'Christians' would under examination want to save themselves, yes, even those who attend a Fellowship & follow through with Christian disciplines. We should not have to hear those words in Matthew 7:21-23, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Hi GiGi.

Good Question.

I'm not sure if this is the answer but We know by scripture Christ was prophesied as the savior to come into the world before the world began.

Ephesians 1:4.

1 Peter 1:19-21.

The volume of the book is written of Christ and his redemption plan.

See John 5:39.

Also " Hebrews 10:7. "

We that said your question reminds me of

Ephesians 2:6-7. And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"THAT IN THE AGES TO COME" he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

This seems to imply that in the ages to come one would look back and see the love demonstrated orchestrated in these 66 books. which involves creation.

Just a perspective.

God bless.

Teresa,

John 5:22 says, "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.

Everyone will answer to Jesus Christ. And the Father has transferred all judgment to the Son. So we will all stand before Christ and answer to how we responded to Christ.

Son's of GOD = 1 John 4:15, Galatians 4:7, 1 John 5:10, Ezra 3:2, Hebrews 12:7, Revelation 21:7, 1 Timothy 1:2, 1 Corinthians 6:2-3,

Jesus CHRIST the MESSIAH referred to the most as Son of GOD. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, etc.

Luke 3:38,

* Romans 8:14, * Hebrews 1:13-14,

I understand "Son's of GOD presented themselves before GOD" to mean= they prayed notice Job 1:5, "offered burnt offerings" then vrs. 6._._._ the accuser came, Revelation 12:10,

Genesis 4:26, Luke 3:38,

Exodus 34:2, Leviticus 14:11, Leviticus 16:28, 1 Samuel 10:19, Daniel 9:18, Luke 2:22, Romans 12:1, Jude 1:24-25,

Dear Mary, if you are a born-again believer in Christ, He hears your prayer. Sometimes we have to be patient and wait upon Him.

1 John 5:14-15 - And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

Psalm 56:3 - Whenever I am afraid, I will trust in You.

Psalms 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28

2 Timothy 1:12 - for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

God bless you, Mary!

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US. [Jesus]

1 Corinthians 12:1-31 explains all the gifts, titled, administrations that God gives to the Church that Jesus has planted on earth Now.

Those that He calls, he anoints for the work. Luke 4:18. The Bible says the gifts and callings are without revocation. If we try to operate without the Holy Spirits anointing; we will not bear good fruit. Can even become apostate.

It's not something to treat carelessly. The Head of the Church is Jesus Christ. All parts of the Body are connected to Jesus.

God lives outside of time and inside of time.

Romans 1 says that if we dispute the evidence of the reality of God; we are without excuse.

I'm not debating this. It's for whomsoever Will believe God is. Can the clay say to the Potter, " what are you doing?!!

A good REFERENCE Study Bible (KJV)with a "center column reference cross scriptures" is very God for cross reading other relevant passages. It's the best.

Here are several scriptures I found about death & after death : James 2:26, Ecclesiasticus 38:23, Ecclesiasticus 22:11, 2 Maccabees 7:36, 2 Maccabees 12:44, Ecclesiasticus 10:11, Ecclesiasticus 17:28, Baruch, 2:17, Psalms 88:10, Psalms 115:11, Ecclesiastes 9:5,

after death,: Matthew 17:1-3, Luke 7:12-16, Luke 8:49-56, John 11:21-45, Matthew 27:50-54, Luke 16:22-31, John 21:14, Acts 3:15, Acts 4:10, Mark 12:25,26,27, Luke 24:46, John 5:12, John 5:25, 1 Peter 1:3, 1 Peter 2:24, 1 Peter 4:5, Revelation 1:5, Revelation 1:18, Revelation 14:9-20, 1 Corinthians 15:20,21, 2 Timothy 4:1, 1 Thessalonians 4:16, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, Matthew 25:31-46, Romans 14:9, Matthew 22:32, Isaiah 26:19,

Hebrews 11:35, Revelation 20, 2 Esdras 2:16, Hebrews 6:2, Hebrews 9:14, Hebrews 11:4, Hebrews 13:20, Revelation 11:18,

Hopefully these are helpful.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US. [Jesus]

1 Corinthians 12:1-31 explains all the gifts, titled, administrations that God gives to the Church that Jesus has planted on earth Now.

Those that He calls, he anoints for the work. Luke 4:18. The Bible says the gifts and callings are without revocation. If we try to operate without the Holy Spirits anointing; we will not bear good fruit. Can even become apostate.

It's not something to treat carelessly. The Head of the Church is Jesus Christ. All parts of the Body are connected to Jesus.

Romans 1 is the one chapter that mentions GODHEAD. We cannot separate them. God, Jesus's Father

Jesus the Word that SPOKE creation into existence.

The Holy Spirit who performed it. He is also the Spirit of Christ.

GODHEAD. The scriptures that prove it.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US. [Jesus]

1 Corinthians 12:1-31 explains all the gifts, titled, administrations that God gives to the Church that Jesus has planted on earth Now.

Those that He calls, he anoints for the work. Luke 4:18. The Bible says the gifts and callings are without revocation. If we try to operate without the Holy Spirits anointing; we will not bear good fruit. Can even become apostate.

It's not something to treat carelessly. The Head of the Church is Jesus Christ. All parts of the Body are connected to the HEAD, Jesus.

Mishael

Hi Jim,

Do you believe Jesus is Lord and died for you for the hope of salvation?

John 5:22-24 these verses might be interesting to read.

You said that John 1:1 doesn't say Jesus is God, but it does. I broke it down before, but it seems we are not on the same wavelength.

There are many verses saying Jesus is God in various ways, but no where in the Bible anywhere does it say Jesus is not God. Not only that but Jesus never once said He was not God. So, it seems unusual to arrive at such a conclusion with no evidence for it and with all the evidence for the opposite.

Have you carefully read the whole chapter of John 1?

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Since you don't think the Word is Jesus, who else do you think the Word is?

Who else do you think fits that description of being sent to earth in the flesh, to live among us, and to die on the cross for our sins?

15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

John 3:28 John said "I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him."

Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

That clear sign along with the voice made it obvious that Jesus was He.

John 1:29 John acknowledges it is Jesus: Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 1:36 "And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!"

Do you believe Jesus is the Lamb of God as it says?

The next chapter Matt 4:7 Jesus is tempted and says to satan: Jesus said unto him, It is written again, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." There again Jesus refers to Himself as Lord and God. Do you agree?

Do you believe these scriptures?

Hi Free

one comment. Point 7 taken from 1 John 5:7

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This verse is not in newer translations. You need to ask yourself why?

Thanks

Hi Rick,

I'd keep reading. Seek the truth and open yourself to learn who God really is and what He will reveal to you. Pray for wisdom and understanding. I wouldn't stop after one section and make conclusions before you take the entire context of the Bible into account. There are logical explanations for your questions.

For your food question if you continued reading you would have naturally found Acts 10. There is much more info in the New Testament about what law applies today, because there is moral law, civil law, and ceremonial law. The latter two were specific to Israelites. You would also read a verse like this: Matthew 5:17-20

Regarding your other questions you would eventually read verses like these:

1 John 5:7-8

John 1:1

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14

Matthew 1:23-25

Hebrews 1:8

Isaiah 44:6

John 1:18

Some OT prophesy of Jesus to come:

Isaiah 7:14

Psalms 72:9-10

Micah 5:2

Numbers 24:17

Genesis 22:18

God bless...

Adam

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Witness of the bible and of the church from apostolic times onward.

The idea that Jesus is not God has been refuted repeatedly over the centuries and determined to be heresy again and again.

But I these days, this view flourishes because the church is so fractured that the authorities voice of orthodoxy has lost its effect as we are in a time where each person and sect chooses their own version of doctrines they accept as "truth" and minds have been blinded to the Truth of Scriptures, as you so clearly pointed out.

Those who deny that Jesus is God are deceived by "false teachers" the same as those who deny that He came in the flesh 1John 4:1-4 and have the spirit of the Antichrist.

1John 5:9-12 goes on to tell us that the witness of God is greater than the witness of men. Those who do not believe the witness of God

(In 1John 7-8) are calling God a liar.

I feel sad for those who have been deceived by refusing to believe that Jesus is God and that The Godhead consists of three Persons that are unified as One God. We can pray for them and give testimony to the truth as you have done .

Than you.

Hi Jim,

John 1:1 already said Jesus is God. That's all I need to know. When it says the Word was God, do you think it means the Word was 'not' God? If that is your interpretation, can you please explain how you honestly arrive at that?

I noticed you didn't comment on the more than 20 verses I posted previously. Did you hover over each of them? Each support that Jesus is God. For instance the plural 'we' in Genesis.

So, let's pretend for a moment that the 4 verses you last shared flat out said Jesus isn't God. If that were true we would then have 20 or more verses supporting that He is God, and then your 4 supporting that He isn't. Which do you then choose to believe: the one with more scriptural support, or the one with less?

But your four verses do not say Jesus isn't God, you are just interpreting that way. It also takes some mental gymnastics in my opinion to arrive at that. It must involve ignoring and absolutely disregarding much scripture, like the 20+ verses I shared. There are many more not yet shared which also support Jesus being God. There are so many pieces of evidence throughout the Bible, like the miracles, perfection, dying for you, resurrection, He was worshipped as being God ever since being a baby, people calling Him Lord and God, on and on.

1 Timothy 2:5 - the man Jesus Christ. He did become a man and He is a mediator to the Father. Both man and God. Titus 2:13

Let's say that you honestly read the entire Bible and weighed all the evidence and support, and prayed for wisdom about it. If you found that the Bible has more support for Jesus being God would you choose to believe it?

Do you believe God has limited power, or do you think God has the ability to be in a form we created beings don't have a framework to understand? For example of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were one, 1 John 5:7.

Do you believe Jesus is Lord as Romans 10:9 says? Do you believe He died for you for the forgiveness of your sins?

God bless...

Dear "Jim". 1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

The words are there to "eat" my friend in peace. Be very blessed in the Lord and in His righteousness we have eternal life. Be blessed in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and now in the Kingdom of the Holy Ghost. Remember that the prayer of a righteous man has great power. Amen.

Hi Donna,

The Bible flat out says Jesus is God in John 1:1.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"Word was God"

It flat out says the Word is Jesus in John 1:14 and onward. It also calls Jesus God in other scripture too, so one has to deny much of the Bible in order to deny Jesus's divinity. Why are people so motivated to deny Jesus, one might ask? Matthew 10:32-33

The Word was God literally means the Word was God. It doesn't say the Word wasn't God. It doesn't say the Word was a different God. It doesn't say the Word was God the father. It doesn't say was kind of a God, but not really. People seem to really enjoy twisting this and trying hard to make it mean something else, but it doesn't mean something else. The Word was God still means the "Word was God." It cannot be denied what it so clearly says.

I heard someone who seemed motivated to not want Jesus to be his Lord or God go on to say that the Word didn't mean Jesus and wanted it to mean the Bible. But that person forgot that the Bible already says the Word is Jesus in John 1:14. It again calls Jesus the Word in Revelation 19:13.

So, all the other speculation doesn't really matter. People's devised human arguments in order to rationalize or distort to fit what one wants to believe is all irrelevant. The fact is John 1:1 says Jesus is God and the real question is does someone believe in the Bible as God's word or not? I choose to believe it. I hope others do too. Satan loves deceiving and tricking people into rationalizing away and cherry picking certain things over others.



1 Corinthians 8:6 (Jesus made all things), John 1:1 (Jesus was there in the beginning), John 5:18, (equal with His father), Jesus is the John 8:58, "I AM", Exodus 3:14, Revelation 1:8. John 20:28.

There are spiritual forces at work trying to deceive and twist and misinterpret. Beware of false teachers. The Bible already says what it means. Do we choose to believe and trust?

Hi Adam

I'm not interested in what you belief but I am interested in what the true belief is according to the word of God. If you are interested I am willing to discuss with you according to the scriptures. I realize this can be a very touchy subject but I believe it is very important to have a true understanding about God.

You mentioned about the word Bible and the word trinity and that neither of them is mentioned in the book we call the Bible. The word Bible is describing a book that we believe God is the author of where the word trinity is describing God. These are two totally different things. There are probably a number of things we could call the book that is called the Bible. But I think we would be in agreement as concerning of the book we call the Bible. The thing is that if the author didn't use the word trinity to describe himself we need to be very careful using words that he didn't use. I agree that just because something isn't in the bible doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered. I believe there is a unity in the bible which involves not only God and Jesus Christ but all true believers.

One of the passages you used is 1 John 5:7 This passage is not used in later versions. Why? But for argument sake lets say it should be there. What is it actually saying? They are one. One in thought and one in action. Jesus did exactly as his father wanted him to do. That verse in itself is not enough to prove what you are saying. It proves unity between the father and the son. John 1:1 again proves that Jesus did everything his father wanted him to do. The verses in Genesis shows God and his angels at work in the creation and John 10:30 again shows the unity between The Lord Jesus Christ and God. I would go one but I'm running out of space. I'd like to show you a few passages to consider.

1 Tim 2:5, John 5:19,30 John 7:16, John 12:49

Thanks for your time

Hi Jim,

You initiated a reply to me. I'm not sure how interested you are in my belief, but I am happy to dialogue with you as long as it is respectful and grounded in the truth of God's word, not man's opinion. You shared scripture which is great, I believe all the scripture you shared, but I don't believe your interpretation of it. I believe you have misinterpreted it and I can be very specific to the exact reasons why for each point if you are genuinely open to it. For the scripture you shared there is more scripture that says Jesus is God. He's not God the Father, but God the Son. I believe this, because the scripture says this, not because of feelings, bias, or agenda, but because it literally says Jesus is God in John 1:1. Do you believe John 1:1?

Your comment began with a question not about the trinity as the Bible says in 1 John 5:7. But your question wasn't about what the Bible says in 1 John 5:7, but the word 'trinity'. Since we don't know each other I don't know your motive for saying that, but I can say that some others use it as a common straw man argument to deceive others in order to discredit Jesus. The word the "Bible" isn't in the Bible either, so is it not a Bible? The word used in 1 John 5:7 is the three are 'one', so if you can use that if you don't like the word trinity.

John 1:1

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Isaiah 44:6 - Lord is King of Israel, Besides me there is no God.

"Sons of God" isn't THE Son of God.

Do you believe these verses?

Hi Adam

I found your comments interesting. You mentioned the word trinity. Could you please show me where this word is used in the bible?

You mentioned John 5:18. Jesus never said he was God. The Jews said he made himself equal with God. Jesus then goes on to explain his standing with God.

Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

You need to understand that our Lord Jesus is not the only Son of God. See Luke 3:38

In John 10:33 Jesus was again accused with making himself God. How did Jesus respond?

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jesus is directing them to Psalm 82. It is dealing with the rulers of the nation of Israel. They are called Gods.

This idea "Sons of God" is used a number of times in the New Testament. Here are some of them.

Joh_1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Php_2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

Thanks for your time

Hi Donna,

I don't believe we can just replace the word God for Jesus. I believe that uses of God in the Bible sometimes implies the trinity, but other times is used solely for God the father. I believe this is one of the common sources of confusion. Also, Jesus is Lord, and the use of the word Lord of the Old Testament sometimes seems to include God the father. I'm interested in anyone else's opinions on this. So, the three are one, the same, but also different. While this is hard for us simple humans to understand how much the same they are and how much different they are, it says it in the Bible and we must choose whether we want to trust and believe what it says.

About the word begotten in John 3:16:

I'd like to borrow from a Got Questions answer on this as I find them scripturally based most of the time. They say the original Greek word 'begotten' or (monogenes) has 2 meanings:

1. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." Hebrews 11:17 like Abraham's son.

2. The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." See John 3:16, John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9.

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Beware of anyone distorting the word to assume it means Jesus was 'created' later. This is not what it means. Scripture already debunks that in John 1:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6 (Jesus made all things), John 1:1 (Jesus was there in the beginning), John 5:18 (equal with His father), Jesus is the John 8:58, "I AM", Exodus 3:14, Revelation 1:8

God bless...