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Col.2.10 "Conclusion

God Document is about Jesus Christ by whom all things consist. So the Law and the Word set the kingdom of light in terms of opposites. To borrow a term from cinematography we have a shot and a reverse angle shot.

God divided light from darkness. At the end of the narrative we have the blessed saits in the light of the Lamb while the outer darkness is isolated from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Christ and anti-christ are as opposites as light is defined as without darkness. Israel as an ensample to what a heart not right before could do.

God fashioned all hearts alike and tries their works. Either your heart is where the treasure is in heaven or darkness all enveloping.

God sent his only begotten son who was the bread from heaven. He was anointed with oil of gladness. The Word gives us two example to show man is complete in him as Col.2.10 states.

The woman who anointed Jesus before his burial bears the testimony'that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.'(Mt.26.6-13; Mk14.9) He assured her,"And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace."(Lk.7.50). She is named Mary. Her name was already written in heaven to indicate her salvation was bound with his own anointing in heaven.(Ps.45.5) Her own glory which was her hair she put to service."Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment."( Jn 12.3)

Second instance was the nameless boy whose free willing offer of five loaves and two fishes was a testimony of his life in the flesh provided continuity in the new heaven and new earth. These two instance serve both were complete in him and serve as the reverse shot.

Hey brother S Spencer,

I have seen some of their discussion. I hope I am on the same page. The Church/body of Christ started at Pentecost, as we see the Lord added to the church daily, Acts 2:47. It was several years after Pentecost before Paul was converted and sent to the Gentiles. To the Jews first. Philip the evangelist was the first to carry the gospel to the Samaritans.

In James, his letter was sent to most likely many who were at Pentecost. It is misunderstood that the gospel to the Jews was different than Paul's. Like James 2:14-18, the works here are not works of the law; it is works of faith, that we will be judged, not for salvation but for rewards.

We see in Ephesians 2:11-16 that there is no difference; the body of Christ is made up of Jew and Gentile. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. There are not two gospels; there is no other way of salvation, regardless of what nationality we are.

I hope this is what you asked. Good to hear from you.

God bless,

RLW

Hi Chris,

I've provided answers to your questions and tried to cover everything. If I missed anything, please let me know.

1."are they incorporated into Christ's Body, the Church, as we are?'

YES, The Jews who believe in this present dispensation are.

2."how does the promises and covenants given to national Israel impact them, if at all?"

It has no impact on the Church/Body of Christ. We are a new creature.

3."I don't see the saved of Israel as being inheritors of those old covenants, since they are part of Christ's Body now."

You are correct, my apologies if I wasn't clear or misspoke on the subject.

4."Those of national Israel who die now without Christ, go the same way as any Christ-rejecter does & under the same judgement."

This correct.

5."But those who are alive when Christ comes again, first in battle, then in rule in Jerusalem, will then believe in Him as their Messiah and those covenants will be fulfilled as promised to them"

This is also correct.

6."But for the Church today, both Jew and Gentile are one people ("for there is no difference"), and their birth and heritage badges being removed, now being one in the Body of Christ"

Correct, the one new man.

It appears that you have a good understanding of my position.

If you hold a different position I'll be happy to have that discussion.

Grace and Peace.

The rapture or I think the more correct word is " translation" but it is understood that it speaks of the time that the church will meet the Lord "in the air ".

The " come up hither " of revelation .

It is as "the time of Noah " where you have Enoch who was translated and did not see death fir God took him before the outpouring of Gods wrath upon the earth .

Noah was saved through that flood .

The misunderstandings primarily come from the false idea that every one in te church will be iris automatically in the Bride and thus raptured . But there are scriptures that clearly show people get saved during the " great tribulation" so to square that circle we have all the pre post 3/4 millenniums etc .

But once it is understood that to be BORN again qualifies us to "run the race " but does not win us the prize that you have like the first Adam who's bride came from his body so too the Bride Christ will also come from the main body of the last Adam .

One verse here or there will not resolve it all . But using all scripture gives us a more perfect picture of the Bride .

Every true BORN child of God is called " to that high calling" even as the Spirit of Christ is outside the church knocking on its door is a call to repentance of the whole church but the promise is given to those " who have ears to hear AND open the door.."

The 10 virgins speaks of the church . The division is between the wise and foolish .

The Lord is coming FOR His bride who will meet Him in the air .

When she has gone all restraints on thecspirit of antichrist will have been removed and he will be given his enthusiasm if rope .

Those found not ready will suffer martyrdom " as through fire"..

Then thecLord will come WITH His bride to judge the world in righteousness .

Understand the nature character and disposition of the Bride and much of the other ' problems' get resolved .

The letter to the Romans proves by biblical argument that both Jew and Gentile are guilty of Sin either within the law or outside of the law . There is no difference in that respect .

The answer therefore is also the same faith in Jesus Christ and His all sufficient sacrifice for sin.

Abraham being the father of the (now) faithful be they of circumcision or uncircumcision.

Those from Abel onwards were saved by faith looking forwards to the promise .We are saved looking back to that sacrifice .

Both look forwards to the coming of the Lord .

While Hews are being saved today the bulk of them ( albeit a remnant) will be saved in a day when they " see Him who they had pierced" when the Lord comes to save them from the armies of the antichrist surrounding Jerusalem and nigh n ready to destroy them all .

But fir an over all picture of things we can do no better than to go to the letter to the Romans chapter 9 and we see Paul's understanding in some measure of the children of Isreal .

The present State of Isreal is not the salvation of the Jews nor is it the fulfilment of the last two or three chapters of Deuteronomy .But it is in part a work of God . God did not give the children of Isreal the promised land because of theur righteousness but because of the exceeding " wickedness of the inhabitants" .

And God has not given them what they have because if their righteousness but because of Gods righteousness. For while the world counts the UN as the highest body ho by its 'democracy' gave them that homeland ,then they cannot uphold the terrorists who seek to deny them such a place without undermining itself nor can the Palastinians hope to establish their own State by tha body but at the same time undermine or seek to destroy the State of Isreal on the face of it established by the same body .

And in the measure by which the world judges Isreal will be the measure God will judge the world .

The church is to show the Jew mercy .

The Frinity of God .part 4

"Let us make man in our image" so God made Man out of the dust of the earth .

We have in many ways forgotten that woman was made from the body of the man .

That his bride so to speak came from his body.

So too the Bride of Christ will come forth from His body .

Man is a tri part being reflecting the trinity of God a pale reflection at that of mind body and spirit .

And it can be argued that "He who made the ear can He not hear etc has also a little to do with it also .

But of the Lord Jesus Christ who as and is " the express image of the invisible God " the Word made flesh" .

1John1 must be one of the most profound verses of scripture in the whole Bible .

And we read and say it often but it is a deep well of the purest water we drink little of .

Man is imperfect an often quoted excuse for failure but true all the same . But Man was not created imperfect fir who can say God created him imperfect? Or not " very good" . But he was corruptible. For only God is incorruptable. Thus anything God created was not God and thus corruptible. Not that God willed they be corrupted for dad He not reveal His will when He said" of all the trees in the garden you may freely eat ,( that inclyded the tree if life) but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat fir in the day you eat you shall surely die" Thus God revealed His eternal will that an should love and not die .

Confirmed by Moses " I put before you life and death .choose life" ." Man shall not LIVE by bread alone.." " I have come that you might have life.." etc etc etc shall we speak of John 3:16?

What as all this to do with the trinity of God? Someone asks .

God is light and the closer we draw near to God the more zGod reveals about ourselves .We are seeking to enterthe Holy of Holies . "Be ye hol for I am Holy" True revival is a return to Holiness and while many speak of The Spirit and ' the anointing' .

We need to remind ourselves from time

2 Cor.4. 3-4 "God of this world"

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost./In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

We all belong to woke generation. The word has been in use since 30s. It has a cultural context but here we use in the sense the manner the devil has beguiled Eve and ever since nations have been rallying under a beast who is the son of perdition. The shroud that covers the nations are being pulled apart by God.In Isa.25.7 we read it as a shroud "cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations." It may be mass hysteria where a mere reading of the War of the worlds created panic.in the streets.In 1938 people showed how irrational fear could be. Eugenics programs jumped across continents forced sterilzation in the USA was driven by fear and culture than science

We see also anti-woke. In Tennessee we recently found a county Sheriff was idolized as a hero but now McNair county does not know what do with one who staged an ambush, which is a museum of sorts but it covered domestic violence by a brute who smashed his wife's jaw and shot her in cold blood. Is bringing a victim of domestic violence. If truth is br and giving her justice denied is it good or bad? Conservatives have their heroes but revering a lie or being 'woke' suddently raises temperature! Will the patriots of Jan 6. Capitol and their instigator end up on Mt Rushmore? Poor Emmet Till was lynched on a a lie. The woman who casused it confessed before her death that she lied. Was she woke? Tulsa massacre was hushed up and thus nation fool themselves. God recognises only two nations. Consider to which nation you belong, nation of light or of darkness? The rest are fodder for fire and destruction,

The Trinity I of God continued part 3.

There is a repeated pattern of scripture where God uses the body of man to describe things of God .

" Man shall not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceedeth from the mouth of God "

" He who made the eye can He not see? He who made the ear can He not hear? Is His hand short that He cannot save? .."

Now it is written " My ways are not your ways and as the heavens are above the earth so are my thoughts higher than yours"

Are not words expressions of thought? Then clearly Gods thoughts are higher than man's thought . But while His reasoning is so much higher than ours that does not mean it is unreasonable and while the logic of His reasoning is so much higher than ours that does not mean his logic cannot be followed or His reasoning incapable of being understood . For if it was how could any man have faith in God when that faith in God comes not only by hearing the Word of Gid but understanding it also .

Are not the scriptures themselves given so that we might see or understand things from Gods perspective? For primarily the scriotures are a revelation of God . Is it not also written " but be ye transformed by the renewal of your mind"?

"The foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of man": Far better then to be wise in Gods eyes and a fool in the worlds eyes than it is to be a fool in Gods eyes and wise in the worlds eyes .

God saves our soul ,quickens our spirit and we must also learn to think and perceive things from Gods perspective .

For was that the whole problem in the beginning ?

Did not Eve " see that the tree was good to eat " Yet God saw that it was evil to eat . And she reasoned thus " it would make her wise " and she then did eat .

Man has been doing what is good or right in his own eyes ever since .

And that awful refrain in Kings and chronicles in nearly every chapter " and they did evil in the sight of God"

We ust be led by the Holy Spirit into tnis truth also.

Hello, I was wondering do you know of any online church that teaching the original king James Bible? If so can you please give it to me. Or a stand along church? Thanks

The Trinity of God . Continued .

We must get our approach right . Even though we can " now boldly go into the presence of God" that does not mean we do so carelessly but it does mean " that if our approach is right " Our Father who are in heaven ,hallowed be thy name." We " might find grace and mercy in time of need":. For in John 17 the Lord prayed that we the church might be one even as He and the Father were one". Thus some right concept of the Trinity wouid ge very profitable fir many reasons but perhaps above all for having a right understanding of the true unity of the church which is His body .

If again we take the tabernacle as the pattern there is but one door or curtain into it . That is Gods way . And it is through Jesus Christ and the blood that was shed in the open so to speak is the only ground of aproach which is then carried into the Holy place and the Most Holy place. In the outer court we see things with the natural eye . But if by faith we enter the Holy place the curtain closes behind us and there is no ' natural' light but that of the 7 branched oil lamp speaking of the Spirit and the bread speaking of the Word and before us the altar of incense speaking of constant prayer.Here we walk not by sight but by faith by the Word of God and the Spirit of God . If I am labouring much on our approach itbus because it is so important and indeed for much else as well and in particular for our prayer life . For I think though the scriptures encourage us to enter boldly, much has been forgotten as to where we are seeking to enter!

But that is another subject .

Now while any true born child of God might have trouble articulating the truth of the matter or even understanding n any measure .No true born child of God should allow themselves to be moved away from the truth of it fir are we not BORN again by thecwill of the Father ? Through the Son ? By the Holy Spirit ? The Spirit of Truth will barecwitness with our spirit the truth of it and so we stand

Hi Brother Ronald.

I'm not sure if you have been following those posts by Lbooth1955.

The context of him answering Brother Chris reply was are they (Israel) mentioned in James 1:1 and James 2:1 incorporated into Christ's Body, the Church, as we are?'

If not are they saved some other way?

It's a important salvation issue!

Not a eschatology debate that can easily derail topic.

I don't think Lbooth1955 answered Brother Chris reply with those 3 pages.

Blessings.

The confusion about the Trinity of God comes primarily from people thinking they candy their intellect alone either explain or understand in any measure the subject. This also is a consequence of many losing sight of the truth that " What knoweth the things of man save the spirit that is in man? Likewise what knoweth the tnings of God save the Spirit of God..? There are many men and as many opinions about anything but in the things of God no man's opinion is of any weight . It's the truth that we need . Jesus Himself said " No man knoweth the Father save the Son and no man knoweth the Son save the Father ." And " if by wisdom man knew not God" how is it ever come to the place where men think they can do so once they are BORN again?

If a person is BORN again only by the Word of God ( " water") and the Spirit of God and not by his intellect etc then clearly in this matter also we must have and can only rely on the Word of God and the Spirit of God in this high matter also .

Now while it is a subject"hard to understand"that does not mean we cannot have some solid foundations for our spiritual thinking / understanding.Can I definitively or anyone pin God to the board of our minds like dead butterflies often are? No.

But if you look at most if not all attempts ( as you also have noted) to 'describe' or understand the trinity they are all unbiblical and thus are built on sand and lead to more confusion than light.

Thus we must look only to the scriptures for clarity.Moreover let it be understood that we are talking about the Godhead here and are to all intents and purpose seeking to enter the Holy of Holies . We must tread carefully and with the greatest respect and reverence. No unregenerate man has a hope of entering here . They are not even in the camp so to speak . A camp of over 2000,000 people surrounding the tabernacle But ket it be also understood no ' curiosity' or vain looking will either nor a carnal minded Christian either.Get a right approach.

Greeting's

Romans 3:31"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

2 Corinthians 3:3 "Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart."

John 5:29 "And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Blessings

Hello Lbooth1955,

I hope you don't mind me asking just a few questions. I am trying to follow. I understand, as you have presented, the Church is raptured, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1 Corinthians 15:51-53, and taken to heaven. You say, "Rightly dividing the scriptures and letting scripture interpret scripture". Where in these Scriptures does it say we are taken to heaven?

You say the rapture is before the seals, trumpets, and bowls; these three are the wrath of God. How does that agree with 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:52? Do you see the rapture as secret?

You say that after the rapture, the antichrist rises, and the 7-year tribulation starts, where only those not in the body of Christ and Israelites are left. How does that agree with 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, where Paul is comforting them not to worry that the coming of the Lord will not happen, before there is a falling away/apostasy, and the man of sin is revealed?

Will the Church/the body of Christ be in heaven or on earth during the 1000 years?

Is the great tribulation and the wrath of God the same thing?

Thank you, I hope I have quoted you correctly.

God bless,

RLW

I need all the old testament that lead to or speak of Jesus.

The verse you quoted makes no sense in the light of the subject in hand so you wouod need to expand on it further for when I was at school doing maths it was nit enough to simply put my conclusion but I also had to show how I got there .The verse you quoted :Mathew 24:42 "Watch therefore for you know what hour your Lord doth come".

If Jesus said " I am the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the Father acceot by me" and in another place " No man knoweth the Father save the Son."

Shows and proves a clear distinction of two persons of the Father and the Son .

" In the beginning was the Word and thecWord was with God ( eternally equal) and thecWord was God aLl things were made b6 Him .." that is to say God the Father did nothing accept by His Word ." My Word that goeth forth from my mouth shall not return unto me void but shall accomplish that where unto I sent it " " Let there be light and there was light " etc

Or " Man shall not live by bread alone but by every Word that oroceedeth from the mouth of God"

God has not changed .

We "put on Christ" after we ave "put off the old man". How? By being crucified with Christ .buried with him as also we are " raised together with him".

To be a Christian in the biblical sense is to " count ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God " it is to be BORN again of thecSpirit of God and thecWord of God"

We do not out on " God Almighty the Father we put on Christ the Son .It will help us to think that way in the long term for thatbis the right way even as it is Gods way of our aproach to Him ." Our Fatyer ." Who art in heaven

Even as it was in the tabernacle to the Holy place .

By 'research'I'm assuming you mean study of the scriotures? How is that wrong?

When the scriptures themselves say " study to show yourselves approved"?

And is it not written in 1 John of " ye young men the Word of God dwelleth in you richly and you have overcome the wicked one"?

Num.12.7 "Moses and Jesus" (4 of 4)

"My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house."

Who is a servant? Jesus defined it thus. "Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." ( Jn 8.34) James comments on it, "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin." ( Jas. 4.17) Moses was faithful in all mine house.' He was anointed as Jesus was so God cast him forth even before he was born to all intent and purpose he could called 'after our likeness' and a double for the Son. God set him a task to speak unto the Israelites,"Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say." (Exod.4.12) His meekness exasperated God, and there was plan B, "And he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart. 15And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do." Compare Mt.10.40 and Aaron became his mouthpiece. Moses could have served as the high priest after the Order of Melchizedek, and a double for Jesus Christ. Aaron by default became the branch, in a accusative sense and he presided over the golden calf thereafter. Not fully trusting in God he failed there. The same failure shall come up at Kadesh/ "And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them."(Num.20.11-12)

What does the number 10 in the Decalogue indicate. Ten is the number of cndemnation. He was called to be the Savior of a nation but failed. He brought forth quails "And there went forth a wind from the LORD, and brought quails from the sea, and let them fall by the camp"(Num.11.31)

Mt.19.28 Day of Regeneration" (3 of 4)

"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The tribes are to go up as this psalm teaches us,"For there are set thrones of judgment, the thrones of the house of David."(Ps.122.5). It is set in new Jerusalem. These thrones are 12 foundations or pillars in mid-air. The house of David refers to the earth as the footstool.

"And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain." (Zech.14.17)The King has a throne, the throne of God and of the Lamb and the Son of man shall sit in his glory which render the foundations resplendent. He is the Lamb and the apostles are of the Lamb."And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."(Rev.21.14)

Nations below are referred in Rev.22.2 "In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."

The Twelve baskets of broken pieces mean that the apostles of the Lamb dispense the Word in the name of the Son; seven baskets likewise empower by the Law. This establishes the role of the Law of Moses as a shadow. Moses had to deal with a mixt multitude. "And the mixt multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?" (Num.11.4) God sent them angel's food but they complained. Similarly the mixt multitude in the outer darkness shall be dealt with as God dealt with them at Taberah. The Word of God sets Moses in context of Jesus. As bread cast upon the waters baby Moses was found.

no 2. With the Lord there are no feelings as we humans know them. He may give us premonitions of sorrow and happiness or hunger to do His will. But feelings are what we have. We can cry with those who cry and we can laugh with those who laugh. But from that we have nothing more than what the Lord has given us. For example, a gentle spirit, a righteous spirit, a benevolent spirit, a faithful spirit, a loving spirit. And He distributes as He wills. Remember that He lives in us now. 1 Cor 3:16 Have you thought about how one day you were anointed with that gift and another day it was something else. That is how Jesus works in us. He looks for the one who is willing and ready, available for service. The Lord is looking for those who are willing to go for His cause. Therefore, we must expect that we will all manage one day and come to the throne of grace. Because He did everything He could, and today He helps us with what we are able to do right there and then. Because He cares for everyone, not just the circle we know. In the circle we have feelings for. So in God's gifts He gives us the opportunity to be free from what binds us emotionally to earthly life. Then it is up to each individual whether they want to take the "challenge" or not. Oh hallelujah Praise be to the Almighty Father and Creator. Who has made everything possible for us. If we are to one day become like Him, then we cannot think and feel all things in a human way.

1 Joh 3:2-3 But of course we cannot ignore our feelings. Are we in pain because of a broken bone. Are we facing a reality that we cannot escape from. But in practice in a Spiritual way, we can pray for it to be healed, without human effort. So we must not in any way doubt God's Power, or make Him a small figure in a corner of a large room. Then we have deceived ourselves so badly, that it is a shame. So to try God first of all is the right thing to do, always. Keep strong in the Lord, love you all with God's unwavering love, in Christ Jesus.

no 1. Hello all dear readers and others. I ask you to patiently read what I am trying to write, with Google Translate of course. I understand that it will be a mess and strange without the translator as well. So I can either leave it alone or continue trying.

Have you thought about what Jesus said when He raised Lazarus from the dead in John 11:44? Lazarus had been dead for 4 days, and already smelled. It was like a small awakening again today. "Loose him and let him go"! That was what Jesus needed to say. Already here He had power, and might, and everything that tells of the Divinity that He decides this, over Life and over Death. He somehow did not want to show this to the spectators there and then. John 11:42 I have been deceived by speech, perhaps. Because the impression I have received is the very death on the cross, which gave Him power over death. That is no coincidence! If we believe that, we will diminish His work and not see Jesus as He really is. Namely, God's living proof, Jesus Christ. So anyway, we must never just accept everything we hear. We should check everything out. But what is true is this. He who lives in the one who believes in Jesus Christ is the one who overcomes the world in His Name. Amen. So anyway, we must never just accept everything we hear. We should check everything out. But what is true is this. He who lives in the one who believes in Jesus Christ is the one who overcomes the world in His Name. Amen. So it also applies to demons who go here and there, they look for an empty "house". But with someone who sticks to the Lord and is filled with His light. Joh 8:12 Demons cannot come. So what happens when a believer suddenly becomes afraid? Fear and anxiety are our own responsibility and we cast them out in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ. So that we do not "infect" other doubting people. Others are not to blame for our shortcomings.

Eccle.11.1 "Bread from heaven" (2 of 4)

"Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days./Give a portion to seven, and also to eight; for thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth."

'Give a portion to seven' shall explain the miracle of loaves and fishes, draught of fishes, the last supper as well as the first supper by the risen Christ.'when the morning was come' and the number of fishes are in multiples of Three! this passage Jn.21.4-15) serves as the book end to the draught of fishes in Lk.5.1-11. Here the disciples forsake their former lives while the risen Christ gives them a foretaste of what awaited them in heaven. Curiously the lake in which they plied their trade is one and the same. ' the lake of Gennesaret,'in the John's gospel is the sea of Tiberias; one lake has three names and is associated with the Son of man.

In his death he went to the lower part and preached to those who were bound. The eight explains the gospel preached there. The 24 elders represent the gospel of God.8x3=24.

We shall now take up the significance of the five loaves and two fishes.. What we are looking for are the number of baskets. What is significance of Three Twelve and Seven? The Son, the Word and the Law respectively.

"And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude." (Mt.14.19)

Jesus as the bread from heaven. So he looks upto the heaven establishing the connection,- the word is sound as well as sign, he blesses according to the Covenant, breaks the loaves. Notice the crucial part. He is empowering the disciples and they are distrbuting what Jesus hands over to them."And they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full."(v.20) They are priests and kings in the day of regeneration. These 12 baskets ful refer to their priesthood. Same broken body.

Col 2.10 "Ye are complete in him" (1 0f 4)

Apostle John also gives the reason why."But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things." ( 1 Jn 2,20) The word in you is of incorruptible seed so we are to walk even as he did. This explains 'After our image' . God sent His Son as the Lord from heaven. After our likeness gives us the bread from heaven. The dream of the Midianite soldier,"Behold, I dreamed a dream, and, lo, a cake of barley bread tumbled into the host of Midian, and came unto a tent, and smote it that it fell, and overturned it, that the tent lay along."( Judges 7.13). So what is the bread from heaven? He 'which is the head of all principality and power.' The Law of the Spirit established that all things by his consist.

God sent His only begotten Son and what is Bethehem, the house of bread. God had set the name of his earthly house that holds his humanity and deity as one. How shall we set this verse in proper context? "And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head."(Mt.8.20) It only refers to the Son of man. Another instance we have: The name Egypt is chosen for his Son."When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt."( Hosea 11.1) God allowed Patriarch Abraham in the time of a famine to go to Egypt because he is set as a double for his Son. However in the time of another famine,"And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:" Once was enough. The bondage of Israelites in Egypt owed to the sin that lay hidden from Israel who was the heir of promise.

All place names as well as of persons by his Son consist. In the next post we shall examine the role of the miracle of multiplying loaves. The Spirit has set this in gospels for our spiritual instruction."And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever.

hihope this helpsJesus is praying to Father asking Him to let judgement on the people pass. This refers to the great tribulations that are coming our way here in the end timesthat of the false one, and then Jesus. He's simply asking God if there is another way it can be done rather all the suffering. As for Yeshua and YHVH being separate, I feel the same. I find as I study that Jesus himself states God himself is the almighty. I understand we need Jesus to get to our Father,Jesus himself says that. One came to Jesus and said, "Good Master". and Jesus said, "why callest me good, but only the Father in heaven is good ". Also, when asked how to pray, Jesus said, " Our Father, who art in heavenetc. We need all threeFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, but the best I can tell, they each have their roles with our Father being the Good Master as Jesus commanded. Blessings to you, and dont be deceived by the false rapture doctrine!

Many thanks again for your response Lbooth1955 and as much as I agree with your understanding and timeline of Christ's appearance and future world events, I failed to see how that answered my question. Maybe, you understood my question in a different way.

Without repeating my last comment to you, the point of my question was, 'if those of Israel are saved today (i.e. being saved as we are saved, via the Cross and faith in Christ's finished Work), are they incorporated into Christ's Body, the Church, as we are?'

If they are part of the Church and receiving the promises and blessings of life present and hereafter in Heaven, how does the promises and covenants given to national Israel impact them, if at all?

Why I asked this, in attempting to sort out my understanding of your position, is that I felt that you believed in two peoples being saved: one of Israel who will also be recipients of God's old Covenants and the other, of Gentiles making up Christ's Church. Whereas, you would have gathered from our discussions, I don't see the saved of Israel as being inheritors of those old covenants, since they are part of Christ's Body now.

Those of national Israel who die now without Christ, go the same way as any Christ-rejecter does & under the same judgement. But those who are alive when Christ comes again, first in battle, then in rule in Jerusalem, will then believe in Him as their Messiah and those covenants will be fulfilled as promised to them. But for the Church today, both Jew and Gentile are one people ("for there is no difference"), and their birth and heritage badges being removed, now being one in the Body of Christ. I hope this helps to see what I'm asking, and this will help me in understanding your position on this aspect of the saved and unsaved of Israel. GBU.

Greetings,

John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Matthew 19:16 "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?"

Matthew 19:17 "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

Blessings

MY Quick Respond of Knowledge atttained reading holy bible not researched :

Matthew 24:42 KJV

Jesus Christ is God of the Universe putting on to be Christian

Thanks for some clarification I will keep praying for understanding

Thanks for the prayers of understanding

9/12/25__

Hear my prayer O' Lord for KJBO

This is my prayer, my petition, I do Lord,

bring it to the Altar and lay it at your feet

looking for a blessing.

In Jesus' name I pray, Amen!

Amen, Amen, Amen!

Romans 1:12

"That is, that I may be comforted together

with you by the mutual faith both of you

and me."

Be blessed!

Credo-1

While multiplying loaves and fishes, he insisted that the leftovers were gathered which was his admission where he came from. So twelve baskess and seven baskets are not merely numbers, the Holy Spirit in order to instruct us in righteousness has given a tag. What Jesus the Son of man did it was in context of the Word was God and the Law of the Spirit respectively.

I have been an architect and how my employess saw me was different from how my clients saw me. How I was seen at home by my family is different; for that matter how my dog saw me was altogether different. But I never felt different: I knew there is only me.