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The original discussion post was NOT "Confused", though, that one caught my eye, because nothing in this world is more important than making sure their right with the Lord, because we as believers, already know, 'God is NOT the author of confusion but of peace' 1 Cor 13:33... but the original text was from Patricia
[I think we all .Is the boat when it comes to the bible. Instead of bickering back and to, accept by faith that every word is true. Nothing in this world matters but the fact that our almighty GOD sent his only begotten SON into this world to die for sinners of which everyone is, because in Genesis when Adam disobeyed GOD it made all sinners. There is still sinners so as GOD'S people we should be.]
Though true, not sure what that had to do with Genesis 10
As for whether it's a salvation issue, or a theological issue the bottom line for me is this: 1) Genesis 10 talks about the generations, (genealogy) of the sons of Noah not only as God's Written Word, but a historical document one can trust. 2) A reference guide.
Though I appreciate reading from those much more knowledgeable then I, I believe, this is the original meaning of this text, nothing hidden, it's just like it says.
They agreed to intermingle with women which resulted in the nephillim. This is what the spirit means when it refers to the "mighty men of old, men of reknown" mentioned in Genesis 6. The nephillim were 1/2 Man, 1/2 angel and were humongous and great in strength and became well known for their exploits. GOD put enmity between them and they set themselves against each other until they were all dead. All the greek "gods" and the titans were actually these nephillim.
When the fallen angels appealed to GOD for mercy HE sent Michael to place them in iron fetters and then placed them in Tartarus, the land of shadow, which we know also as the bottomless pit. They are there now awaiting judgment.
Jude here refers to them as examples of of the consequences of indulging the flesh and its lustful desires and willfully disobeying GOD.
In 2Peter3:16 we are warned to be attentive, because some usurp Scripture to their destruction. Paul in 1Cor11:16 also cautions us of excesses. But there are those that have created insulated cultures based on strict enforcement of unnecessary rules and conditions. Sometimes we refer to these as cults, but they are also found among denominations. They emphasize duties, that when violated, lead to losing salvation. Sabbath, Tithing, dress, works, adherence to OT restrictions, attending services 5 times a week. The list is endless. Pay attention to Gal2-4, 2:15-3:5, 3:28, 4:8-10. Shouldn't we live by our trust in Christ, instead of our list of do's and don'ts?
That is not to say we shouldn't be organized and observe good conduct. But not as a basis for salvation.
An infidel indeed, Sometimes that head is a teacher/pastor who is so engulfed in the church they forget about home. Can we say they are so busy taking care of Gods bride they forget their own...
For those out there who are Bible quoting Christians professing the gospel that don't live it. James3:1 says you will be held at even a higher strictness.
Can we explore James 3:1 please?
The way women dress is particularly emphasized in many groups. My aunt, for example, was told to leave the church because she cut and colored her hair. Some say it is a must to observe the Sabbath, but all they do is have their Sunday Service on Saturday. They don't really observe all the rules attached to keeping the Sabbath. They can't. Others claim you must not eat meat, drink coffee, beer, or smoke. Mormons won't even drink Coca Cola. I could never be a Mormon just based on that one rule. Others won't accept gays in their congregations, but will allow adulterers and hypocrites to preach a Sunday sermon or lead the Choir. This, by the way, is not a list of complaints. They are just my observations.
My message is that we tend to focus on the petty and inconsequential and miss the real meaty stuff. So what should we be focused on? The Gospel. Joy, not reprisal. Appreciation of others, in spite of their shortcomings. And the fact that we must prepare for the End Times. Are most Christians prepared for persecution? What will we do when churches are forced to close? Or when we have to meet in secret? And when killing Christians becomes the norm? When we can't shop? Are we prepared? Jesus warned us in Matt25. Be prepared. Will the AntiChrist be the Muslim Mehdi?
Note: This SAVIOR /CHRIST the LORD is born and HE shall establish SALVATION for all of us /mankind. Through CHRIST (see John 3:16-21) the opportunity to be SAVED is made available to all, thereby we can rightly return to JEHOVAH /GOD and avoid Revelation 20:15.
I John 2:3,4 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." ! John 5: 2,3 "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments; and his commandments are not grievous". Roman 7: 7 "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid, Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not know lust, except the law had said,Thou shalt not covet." The ten commandments is our "map" to salvation. It is God's character. It is only through the blood of Jesus Christ that we can be saved.
We cook and clean house and do nice things for our family and friends. Why? We love them and want to please them. If we love Jesus we should want to please him. We have to have a one on one relationship with Him. Jesus should be the center of our life. He is love. Jesus said, if you love me keep my commandments.
May the Holy Spirit be with you as you study God's word.
It was PROPHESY. It all happened as the Godhead Wrote it. Through Jesus's suffering He set the new Covenant in motion until the mystery be completed: until the fullness of the Gentiles.
Rom. 11:11 ...have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather..through their fall...salvation is come unto the Gentiles (WHY?) for to provoke them (the JEWS) to jealousy.
For if the casting away from them be THE RECONCILING of the WORLD...what shall be the the RECEIVING of them be...but life from the dead?
Verse 26: And so ALL Israel SHALL BE SAVED
Verse 27: For this is MY COVENANT unto them (Israel) , WHEN I shall take away their sins.
Verse 28: As concerning the gospel (birth, life, death, resurrection of Jesus) They are enemies (now) FOR YOUR SAKES (us).
BUT as touching the election, they are BELOVED for the fathers sakes (plural) Deuteronomy 9:5.
They're OUT now and we are IN. God did that all by Himself. Didn't need any of us to debate the soundness of His Decision. Why indeed should any of us Gentiles shed a tear for 6 million Jews who were murdered? Well, they were on the outs so it's ok?
Is there anybody who will stop a minute and pray a prayer God asked us to do?
Psalm 122:6, 121:4, 125:5
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem (not a suggestion)
God is not willing that any of us perish but that we'd all come to repentance: which means to turn around and walk away from what's holding us back. Backsliding simply means to stand still and go nowhere.
Forgive me for saying this, but there are people coming in here who need help.
TITUS 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, genealogies, and contentions and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
God show us your heart always, and to esteem others with meekness and friendship.
You need to stay in 1 Corinthians chapter 7; read it slow; take some notes to keep it straight.
My comment is that children suffer the MOST when parents get their relationships in a knot.
Genesis 2:23-24 is the first marriage in creation. It's supposed to be a covenant. The two become one.
God barely tolerates divorce; only for adultery. If I understood right you have left the wife of your youth? Do you have children with her?
My best advise is to go to a Christian pastor or counselor, with your legal wife and try to see if you have enough between you to continue.
The 2nd woman, unfortunately, doesn't get to participate in the counseling.
Try to consider three people who are being harmed by this. I know if you ask the Lord to help you set it right, He will help you.
Spend a little time in 1 Corinthians 13, the love chapter. My Bible says charity which is the same word, love. Don't walk away from God over this. God is Love. Walk toward Him.
Well, I can't see that he ever converted in the first place (but God is his Judge & sees the condition of his heart, not me). So whatever he decides to do will be sin & until he comes to the foot of the Cross in true conviction of his many sins, there is no salvation for him. So your question: what should he do? Well, salvation through Jesus is his only hope & he stays with his second wife, without adding sin upon sin, but if he wants to maintain this lifestyle of having multiple wives (as God doesn't recognize divorce), then he is free to do whatever he wants, as those who conduct themselves as non-Christians, without the knowledge of God & His Word.
When is the fullness of the Gentiles complete? Romans 11:25-36
Matthew 24:36, 42, 44
Mark 13:32
Acts 1:11
And now a reminder: Ecclesiastes 12:9-14