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The plans of man; God and Satan

When it comes to stupidity; man seemingly has enough to go around to destroy himself without the Devil getting involved. 1 Peter 5:8 states: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: and Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

When we consider these things; Isaiah 24 helps to clarify events: And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. (v. 21 I believe). This chapter is so relevant for today I think I will focus my next study on it.

Now some today still hold to correct theology regarding man's ultimate helplessness in sin and inability to do any good; and the need to repent (actually given as a gift by God) and turn from his wicked ways through the help of the Holy Spirit. What many if not almost all fail to communicate effectively is that we change MASTERS in that change of heart from Satan to the Lord Jesus Christ. When we realize that being in league with spiritual darkness also adds to our judgment we understand better what Jesus means by hell was meant for the Devil and his angels ( Matt. 25:41). The world as it were is the conduit through Satan's organization of rulership over governments and regions of the earth to align with his campaign. He uses the flesh to physically act out that which is impressed on the souls of unregenerate man; that is rebellion to seek selfishly those earthly pleasures which soon shall pass.

This concept makes us comprehend how we are slaves of righteousness ( Romans 6:18 in NKJV which artificial intelligence lead me to; which is stronger than just servants in regular KJV.) Yes we are also His friends ( John 15:15) as the enmity was ended ( Eph. 2:16) because of Calvary.

No Mr. Spencer.

I'm sorry but that is not what the Bible is teaching.

All of the promises to National Israel and the Churches related to this sin-cursed earth, BOTH THE BLESSINGS AND THE CURSES have been and are being fulfilled.

Christ is clear that His Kingdom is not of this world.

The Nation of Israel and the Churches were a corporate representation of Christ's Kingdom on this earth during their time, but not the substance of that Kingdom. Christ's Kingdom is an ETERNAL KINGDOM consisting of ALL TRUE BELIEVERS THROUGHOUT TIME, and will be revealed in all its glory at the Last Day when Christ returns to finalize His Judgement and Salvation program.

Those mentioned in Hebrews 11 understood these truths very well. And we must also.

"Christ spoke in parables, and without a parable spake he not". He did this both to reveal and to hide the NATURE OF HIS JUDGMENT AND SALVATION PROGRAM using types and figures throughout the Bible. (Read Mark 4 carefully). If we don't come to grips with this understanding as to how we are to approach the Bible, we will not come to a proper understanding regarding these truths. And will have a fragmented understanding of the True Gospel.

God did not write the Bible in a way that is easily understood. We must apply God's hermeneutic, not ours.

Addendum:

I left out the most important para which forms the last para of my post:

The ensign we fight is the slain Lamb before the foundation of the world. Whe nword became flesh, and as the captain of our salvation we have the gospels in which he is qualified as 'the Lamb of God who taketh away the sin of the world'. The covenant of seven days has promised the same throne, called the Throne of God and of the Lamb.

Isa.59.19 "The ensign"

"and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him."

The darkness is the enemy to light and he is the adversary we have in Ge.1.2. Darkness was upom the face of the deep. Thus Spiit of the Lord has raised his standard against him. Inheritance of the children has a banner," He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love."(The Song.2.4) God is a Spirit and it has set up its ensign to which rank and file may look and fight on. Like the hand of Moses whenever it dropped from fatigue it had to be held up. "And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed." It is thus generations after generations fought agains the anointed heirs of promise. Amalekites in our generation is the great whore sitting upon many waters, to which we shall come anon. The seven mountains are seven beastsas there are seven days associated with the Covenant these have one mind. (Rev.17.9-18) "The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." So our fight is not against flesh and blood but spiritual wickedness, heresy taught by the devil. The devil sins from the beginning and Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy his works. This being the truth what shall we call the Dispensationalists who still teach 'tithing' as proper? They worship another Christ and another gospel is it not. In them as Jesus faulted the Jews in his day," In the beginning was the Word and it was sent forth. " He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."(Jn.8.47)In other works the same darkness prevail over them. Only those who found grace, a remnant shall be delivered,"The waters saw thee, O God, the waters saw thee; they were afraid: the depths also were troubled."(Ps.77.16)

Hello Pastortim2017. I know, some 'sins' are difficult to throw off, and certainly 'vaping' can be included in there, whether one actually considers it sinful or not; yet being addicted to an unhealthy slew of substances that destroys the body which is no longer his own, is indeed sinful. This person seems quite serious about throwing off this habit and has even earnestly sought the Lord's Help - very commendable. But when 'push comes to shove', we have to admit that when we sin, there is a strong element of fondness for that sin and this has to be removed. No doubt, vaping still gives him pleasure, which makes it all the harder for him, in spite of his earnest resolutions to quit, and yet, the Lord sometimes allows us to continue in such spiritual turmoil for a season, until the release from it becomes truly liberating with great joy.

There would be many suggestions (both from medical fraternities and govt authorities) to help such folk getting on the path of abstinence. And these could well be useful, but unless the Lord is in it to guide & encourage his child to get into the place of freedom and victory, there can sometimes be regressing into the old habits (which is happening with this person). 1 Corinthians 10:13 is a powerful verse to assure us that God is still with us, in spite of our sense of His absence; that if we are earnest and true to Him, he will make a way of escape as we continue to hold faith in Him under such trial. And I understand this, as the way of escape is available, but to get to it & into freedom might well take time & preparation (and this probably means in his case, really coming to terms with the comfort he gets in the habit & finding it repulsive).

To me, it seems he knows it's wrong and keeping him from knowing God's Presence & Assurance, but the pull of the habit is more compelling. With the Lord's Help, he would need to seek His Face for ways or people that would turn his focus away from vapes onto truly satisfying pursuits.

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Hebrews 4

1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Hello again Lbooth1955. You could probably guess my response to your question, or even seen my response to others in the past about this question. No, I don't believe in Tithing as a requirement or even a command, for those who are in Christ. The oft quoted Scripture that seems to help us concerning our giving ( 2 Corinthians 9:7,8: "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work") is very applicable.

And I believe that this instruction is about a heart that has an attitude of generosity to others and complete faith in God, not just to the local Fellowship, but to those in need around them & supporting those in the ministry of the Gospel. We are to give according to our faith, our conscience, as God has blessed us. The widow's last two mites had greater value than all the 'tithes' & general offerings cast in by others. The LORD could multiply those valueless mites in an instant and that widow would have been the one to receive the greater blessing for her devotion to the LORD and sacrificial giving in faith, faith in the God Who was her "Yahweh-Yireh". That said, for the new believer uninstructed in these things and still desiring a dollar amount to give as his regular offering and exercise of faith, I would suggest that a tenth of one's earnings was a good place to begin, yet to always be open to the LORD and to the needs around him. When we have sensitive compassionate hearts, our yearning to reach out and help, must go beyond any monetary amount but the giving of ourselves to the LORD for His use in whatever way He enables and directs us. If we then disobey Him, the greater suffering will be ours. GBU.

Thank you for taking the time to write all of that, addressing my question! I thank you for the comment you made and the advice you gave! It was Biblical! Blessings to you! Pastor Tim.

Dear friend Pastortim2017. On my journey with Jesus these comparable things have emerged. The human brain is a somewhat complicated thing. And it is serious for the person concerned. But when your friend came to Jesus he was free, right? The scripture says that we are to remain in the light. Then everyday life comes and oops we are back. You know we have an enemy. And when I look at myself and learn from it. It seems that an old habit simply becomes that, because we let it. That is to say. We must resist, that action, preferably proclaim the name of Jesus. I have no faith that without Jesus' sacrificial blood on Calvary, little happens. We must therefore resist, in His name. We often get preoccupied with other things that pull us away from our new idea. And unfortunately, it can happen completely automatically, it's true. Think about it, how many times have you yourself been hindered from and make a fast for the Lord. To my delight, sometimes you even get visits from people you haven't seen in 10 years. They are hungry. I believe these things also go into it and do His will. For what is God's will if not what we see daily? Joh 6:29 It is the same for everyone. But then we have our own to struggle with. What I have found out is that clearly nothing happens until the person HAS made up his mind. And in Jesus' Name above all other names, (there is a need for understanding, we grow the growth that is from God). Our thoughts keep us in old patterns. The best thing for him is to put the whip away in the evening and be determined. And the morning after, go to a meeting or visit you, for example. Then he can be busy with something else for a few hours. And then afterwards he has to resist, that's where it's critical. Is it possible and do it, be determined and persevere in Jesus' Name. After a few hours it will be forgotten. Just sat and thought about it over the scripture where Jesus walks on the water. John 6:15-21

Immediately they were on land! Wonderful Jesus, love u

The Song.8.6 "Jealousy"

"Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame."

St Paul exhorts, You are complete in him" and what is the substance of your house then? "For in him (Christ) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."(Col.1.9-10) It was thus God did fashion our heart salike. God does try our works."

Abiding in Christ as we have seen from the creation of Eve was on thesingle rib, and doctrine of Christ is the soil from which you draw your nourishment. We find many waters mentioned with a treeof righteousness, "And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper."(Ps.1.3) Many waters which denote heavenly blessings. The Law or the Coveant wiorks effectively so whatsoever you doshall prosper.' This love you testify in your daily walk is as strong as death.The arrows in the hand of the mighty man make you at the gate of death as St Stephen did,(Ps.127.5)

"Set me as a seal' is another way expressig this abiding life. The works you do as though Christin you did.Seal upon thine arms works likean amulet, a talisman. On the otherhad jealousy and we need go back to Ge,1,2, "and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." While sacred love sets you world all lit up what does darkness can offer to the childreen of wrath? Profane love speaks of destruction."jealousy is cruel as the grave.' "For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?"(Ps.6.5) " if a man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned,," meaning his soul is of little worth, :he heart of the wicked is little worth. It is worthy of hell fire.(Prov.10.20)

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Can anyone offer advice??? Someone I know has been struggling with a Vape Addiction for years! He has asked God to remove it from him. Has even surrendered himself to the Lord and has GIVEN this thing to Him, BUT, keeps FAILING. And he goes right back to it. He feels like h is cursed with this like Paul had a thorn in his side, he tells me! What can he do to see and experience TOTAL Freedom? He knows that if he continues, it will send him to Hell, or even left behind when the Rapture takes place! What can I advise him to do? Any Biblical suggestions?

Greetings

Proverbs 1:7 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

Exodus 20:10 "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:"

John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

John 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

Matthew 19:17 "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

Blessings

Ps.29.3 "Many waters"

The voice of the Lord is upon the waters: the God of glory thundereth: the Lord is upon many waters."

The waters signify the quality of God, so the Spirit moved upon the face of the waters. The generations of Jesus Christ on one hand and darkness on the other hand directing the generations that cavirry several sepithets, wicked and adulterous generation gives over to more vicious generation such as we have. Generations of vipers eat up sovereign nations and making peace is to reward the wicked viper, Out of love for peace? Oh no, vanity rules this adulterous generations. The powers that be play charade over the rest in order to be rewarded, may be with a Nobel peace prize.

The same quality found in the voice of the Lord enumerated through the Psalm creates new of world framed by the word and also those who sat in darkness, though called outer darkness receive mercy. For it is new every morning. Therefore hope is a facet of holiness, "My soul hath them still in remembrance, and is humbled in me./ This I recall to my mind, therefore have I hope./ It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not./They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness."(Lam.3.20-23)

In the inaugural vision of St John we have Melchizedek in the image of the risen Christ with the Ancient of days.It is thus the day of regeneration. Where Aaron wore the breastpateclose to his heart, we have Christ witha golden girdle about his paps. And his voice full of majesty,"and his voice as the sound of many waters." The Law or the Word has set the seven days to the Covenant whichis everlasting. Amen

To all that be in Christ,

Any thoughts on Tithing?

Peace and Grace...

Hi FREE,

Believers and the Wrath of God

For those who trust Paul's gospel - that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day ( 1 Cor. 15:1-4) - the Scriptures assure complete deliverance from God's wrath. Though all were once "children of wrath" by nature ( Eph. 2:3), in Christ we are made new creations and sealed by the Spirit ( Eph. 1:13; 4:30). God's wrath is real, revealed against all ungodliness and unrighteousness ( Rom. 1:18), yet believers stand justified by His blood and eternally secure.

Romans 5:9 proclaims, "Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." The penalty of wrath fell upon Christ at the cross, so that no condemnation remains for those in Him ( Rom. 8:1). While wrath abides on the unbeliever ( John 3:36), the believer has peace with God ( Rom. 5:1). Paul makes it plain that the Church, the Body of Christ, is not appointed to wrath but to obtain salvation ( 1 Thess. 5:9). Christ delivers us from "the wrath to come" ( 1 Thess. 1:10), meaning both eternal judgment and the prophesied outpouring during the Day of the Lord.

The "wrath of God" throughout Scripture falls upon the ungodly, rebellious nations, and those who reject the Son ( Col. 3:6; Rev. 6:16-17). But the Body of Christ is distinct; we are part of the mystery revealed to Paul ( Eph. 3:1-9). Wrath belongs to Israel's prophetic program and the unbelieving world, not to the saved in this dispensation of grace.

Key Truth:

In Christ, believers are forever secure. Wrath is past at the cross, present against the ungodly, and future upon unbelievers - but those who believe the gospel are delivered, sealed, and assured eternal peace with God.

Grace and Peace.

The Song.8.7 "Many waters" (2 of 2)

Truth shall spring out of the earth/and righteousness shall look down from heaven."(85.11) This greening of the earth is called new earth and every blade of grass is refreshed under the light of the Lamb."And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it."(Rev.21.24-27)

"Righteousness shall look down,' since the day has come for the 12 thrones for the priest-kings to teach the nations from the Word, the Law."And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." OLord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken theLord, the fountain of living waters.. The new earth and the outer darkness alike.

"Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it." Who is in control of the flood? "The voice of the Lord is upon the waters: the God of glory thundereth: the Lord is upon many waters."(Ps.29.3) The left behind church and the Jews who found grace in the day of regeneration may be yet make manifest the significance of love. Though Christ was rich he became poor for those who rejected him in former times. "And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood./And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth./ And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."(Rev.12.13-17)The outer darkness as a place is a foot-stool. Heaven is my throne, so are the priest-kings with hiim.(Isa.66.1)

Further thoughts on the end times

I feel duty bound to mention scripture; ALL scripture. In this case no doubt heated discussions could arise and when I say something that goes against tradition (such as all believers being raptured) I have to hold to Scripture first. Irregardless of the complexities here; of course there are many "professors" rather than Holy Spirit possessors out there which is dangerous at any time for our spiritual well being even if His coming is a ways off.

In general; sin is a reproach to any people ( Proverbs 14:34); although this verse is talking about a nation rather than individuals.

Whether by Rapture or death indeed we all have an appointment with God and trivializing sin isn't helpful for anyone. Sin not only progresses until death but metastasizes from an occasional occurrence to a habit to a lifestyle. In sanctification there is no doubt in my mind that God uses our failures to chastise us; so narcissism as an attitude dismissing sin as harmless error; etc is not beneficial. As true saints of God we should be the first ones to be transparent in this regard. Self justification is also a later stage of sin where we get to the point where we don't care what anyone thinks; hence we are no longer open to correction.

John 10:27-28 says 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. We see here the knowing between both parties and recognition of His voice. The Lord aggressively goes after His sheep but His sheep recognize His voice; they may be running away like Jonah or have other reactions that aren't beneficial but they cannot deny His presence and guidance. Those who are NOT His sheep usually are left alone; hence as Solomon states in Ecclesiastes 8:1

11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

Further thoughts on the coming of the Lord

The implications for us as believers should be a no brainer. We are commanded to continue to "occupy until He comes" ( Luke 19:13 also the concept of Ephesians 5:16).

One thing that is interesting is that it appears from Daniel that the crucifixion was AD 32 if we go 69 years of 7 year periods; that would bring the second coming to 2032 if it is exactly 2000 years until He comes making the Rapture by the end of this year; 2025. In any case we should be paying attention to the signs and not falling asleep.

I therefore look at the Parable of the 10 virgins if indeed it is referring to those at the Rapture and realize that merely alerting people that His coming is near isn't something I need to concern myself as it isn't knowledge of the event but readiness that is the crucial factor. The big question is if the end means I never knew you or I know you not (as a present tense); if intimate fellowship over time due to lukewarmness has faltered. Whether some are not raptured or not is probably a hot topic or if that is indeed what the Parable discusses.

Luke 21:36 states Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. If we agree every born again saint is raptured then we have to agree it seems that every believer is praying like this unless I somehow am misreading the text; hence my conundrum on thinking all saved people are raptured and leading to a reward issue here. I am NOT saying anyone is lost or you can lose salvation; but again since white garments are mentioned. Revelation 7:14 says

And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Having to wash a garment to me indicates the Tribulation necessitated due to soiled garments of believers beforehand rather than indicating new ones.

Matthew 24:37-38 For just like the days of Noah[a] were, so the coming of the Son of Man will be. 38 For in those days before the flood, people[b] were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark. 39 And they knew nothing until the flood came and took them all away.[c] It will be the same at the coming of the Son of Man.[d]

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

We have; as it were seemed to come to a critical mass in discussion of end times-specifically; in regard to the Rapture likelihood this Rosh Hashanah. I will summarize briefly what's going down so that we get information clearly.

There are scriptures in Daniel indicating a certain number of days for Daniel's 70th week which apparently add up 2520 days if I am doing the math right. The concept of the Tribulation being between a Rosh Hashanah and future Yom Kippur 7 years later led to a calculation apparently off by one day that is said never to happen again but indeed will many years from now. If we contemplate a possible 10 day interlude ( Revelation 2:10) that is one possibility for at least some to be either in a few days of the Tribulation or God to judge the church immediately prior to the first seal being opened. There are also indications of past fulfillment in regard to this church. The bigger point here is the Rapture could occur another time and doesn't have to be Rosh Hashanah; even though it is symbolic of the day and hour "idiom" that no one knows; Jesus from the above verses could come a time we don't expect which seems to take that away from being a necessity; however He certainly could come days or weeks before that (any day now). This year is interesting as the only one close to 2520 days for a while (if off by a day or two there is the variability of "official" start to Rosh Hashanah.

Big issue has been wrong calculations naively followed without fact checking.

Sure will Brother Ronald.

I've been so busy I haven't been able to keep up with the site

Postings doesn't last a full day anymore.

I have a lot saved but haven't been able to read but maybe half of them.

You enjoy your week as well.

We will be talking soon.

Blessings.

The Song.8.7 "Many waters" (1of 2)

"Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it: if a man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned."

Here we have the sacred love against the profane. God loved the world so He sent his Son who epitomised the full measure of his Holiness. This holy aspect is revealed in sending him to the house of his friends where he was wounded only indicates the profane aspects of a fallen man. 'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends 'is a fitting commentary brotherly love' but cannot be yet called as sacred love. On the other hand wht was the son? Jesus Christ knew no sin and did no sin. His sacrifice on the cross consequently is perfect. When he calls any man friend it is a big deal. Heaven came down as it were for which the cross is a badge of honour. In wearing it it is your life that is on the line, "He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me./And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."(Mt.10.37-38; Jn 15.11)

Jesus is the lord from heaven,"and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly." In his love there is a world to be discarded and an heavenly world to which we are called. Heresy is to deny this love:"He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love." We belong to this house and to sup with him, forever,' But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end."(Heb.3.6; The Song. 2.4)

Many waters cannot quench this love over which it is not heaven and the earth but holiness of God serving as a canopy."Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other." This union must deliver and it is what we have in the day of regeneration,"Truth shall spring out of the earth

Dan.3.1-6 "Another Christ another gospel"

"Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon."

The measurement is same as of the measuring reed that the man in the vision of Ezekiel had in his hand. (Ezek.40.2). His appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, for apportioning the land. The gentile king wanted an image probably of himself and it was in multiples of 6. Does God measure the Gentiles and the Jews by a single measure? The word of God makes it absolute clear,"Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord."(Jer.17.5) Heathen is whose heart is alienated so he serves god and mammon as we see in our own times. For example ask a Dispensationalist or Evangelical this question,"And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?"(2 Cor.6.16). Yet in the ephod of the high priest was such a question was set. One onyx stone set in gold reminded of the curse such as Jeremiah poses here. God of all mercies also set these stone in ouches of gold were in not in isolation, " And two chains of pure gold at the ends; of wreathen work shalt thou make them, and fasten the wreathen chains to the ouches." Before men and angels in heaven the high priest served. The golden bell at the hem of the robe referred to his walk. His faith represented by gold dictated everything he did or said. The final vision of Ezekiel mentions sacrifices and offerings. But the measure o 6 cubits and the line laid over the city makes the outer darkness, a curse. Israel made their trust in Barabbas over Jesus before Pilate and became the heathen instead. The nation that has 'power with God and with men, and hast prevailed' and 'and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.'(Ezek.48.35)

Amen to that, Chris.

Have a blessed work week ahead.

Greetings

Romans 2:13 "For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."

Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

Blessings

Greetings

Luke 6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"

James 1:22 "But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves."

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

Blessings

Thank you too brother for a very profitable engaging discussion session. Hope to hear more from you in due course. Every blessing.

Please pray for a child, we will call him J, that's suffering with a sudden and serious brain eating condition. It's shutting down his whole body, and unless the Lord Jesus Christ steps in, he's going to die or will be a vegetable for the rest of his life. I know and believe by faith what Jesus Can do and HAS DONE. We need Him big time right now. Please remember J.

Thanks brother,

Have a good week,

God bless,

RLW

Thanks Brother Ronald.

We've debated this several times before.

I said I would give my beliefs and how I arrive to my viewpoints.

Any further discussion with you without anything new to share would just be an argument.

I would be saying yes it do, you would be saying no it doesn't, and on and on.

So I would save us some time and anguish and say we would have to agree to disagree.

Besides I made it clear I was stating how I come to my viewpoint and wasn't entering this to debate.

On to the events from the Great Tribulation on through the Millennium and how these certain groups interpret them.

Blessings Brother.

Bible Alone.

You said you believe the Bible teaches that we are currently living in the Great tribulation period spoken of in Matthew 24 and Mark 13.

And then you said; you think the Millennium is a figurative period of the Church Age which began at the Cross (or perhaps at Pentecost) and ended with the Great Tribulation.

So in your studies you find that the Millennium "a figurative period of the Church Age" began at the Cross (or perhaps at Pentecost) and ended with the Great Tribulation.

And the Great Tribulation started in 1948 when Israel became a Nation on to the present day. Wow!

Bible Alone for one Millennium means a thousand years. That doesn't add up.

Also the Great Tribulation described in the scripture is three and a half years. That also doesn't add up!

I don't think I will be asking you to tell how you came up with that.

We will have to just agree to disagree.

Thanks for responding.

God bless.