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How fast is the twinkling of an eye?

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Revelation 1:7 says, "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

Behold, he comes with the clouds. I personally don't believe this is making reference to the rapture. I believe Revelation 1:7 is speaking of the Second Coming of Christ, separate from the rapture which would have previously taken place.

Please allow me to share my reasoning. This is how I understand this. It says, "He (Jesus) comes with the clouds. The reference is found in Daniel 7:13.

In Acts Chapter 1, after Jesus ascended up after His resurrection, the disciples were looking up into heaven watching Him disappear in the clouds, and Acts 1:10-11 says, "and while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel. Which also said ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as you have seen Him go into heaven.

So, Jesus is going to come back the same way. He's going to come back in the clouds. We know that Jesus physically walked this earth some 2,000 plus years ago. We also know that when He ascended, He ascended up on a cloud. When He comes at His Second Coming, He will again come in the clouds and physically step down onto the earth. This will be seen, the same as His ascension was seen. At the rapture, we meet Him in the air. The rapture will happen so fast that it will be impossible for the eye to see.

The dead in Christ will rise from the grave, and we (believers) who are alive will also be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air. There is no mention of anyone meeting the Lord in the air at His Second Coming.

How fast is the twinkling of an eye?

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Again, and back in Revelation 1:7, we are told that every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him. So, at the Second Coming of Christ, everyone who is on this earth will see Him. This is taken from Zechariah 12:10.



So, every eye will see Christ at His Second Coming. But if the rapture takes place at the Second Coming of Christ, it would only be logical that all eyes will witness the rapture also. But how can this be when the rapture happens in a millisecond?

It makes sense that those who are on the earth will see Jesus coming back just the same as they saw Him ascending up because scripture gives us that. But how can anyone see something that happens in the "twinkling of an eye?"

No person with a naked eye can see a bullet travelling through the air after being fired from a gun. But even the speed of a bullet doesn't come anywhere close to the speed it talks about the rapture happening in 1 Corinthians 15:55. No human eye can see something happening so fast, one-billionth of a second.

So, the question would be, how can the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming of Christ happen together? Just a thought!

Blessings to you all in Christ!

Thanks for responding The bible alone.

You stated, "The Fulness of the Gentiles will be completed when all of God's elect have been saved at the Last Day".

You are including Paul's kinsmen in the flesh/The nation of Israel in that group.

However, Romans 11:25 reads, "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

There's a sequence here you're leaving out! Israel is blinded UNTIL THE FULNESS OF THE GENTILES BE COME IN! It doesn't say the gentiles is blinded along with them!

Paul is referencing the Gentiles within the Church which includes Jews.

and his people which he foreknew. Pauls kinsmen IN THE FLESH. Not the Jewish Brothern in Christ or he wouldn't have said "Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness. Romans 10:1-3.

Paul says in Romans 11:5

Even so then at this "PRESENT TIME" also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

(THIS MEANS THIS GROUP IS SAVED NOW!)

Verses 25-26 reads, "



"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel "SHALL BE SAVED": as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

This is a separate group out of that nation and SHALL BE SAVED means future.

God bless.

Hi Syrstephen007. You are correct, this the prophet Micah referring to himself. You can tell he is in great anguish ( Micah 1:3-9) for the horrible sins of Israel (of which the head was Samaria, where the kings had their residence, idolatry was rampant, setting a bad example to the rest of the people). And the sins of Judah (where Jerusalem which was the main city, having the same evil influence over her, as Samaria had over the ten tribes).

So Micah was so distraught by what God was telling him & what he then had to proclaim of their judgement because of their sins, that his (Micah) response would be a blood-curdling cry as when one is alone at the dead of night in a forest with jackals and owls screeching around him. That he would tear off his garments (probably not all clothing, as was done by many in that period) in demonstration of his agony & bitterness for his people's coming judgement. All this makes the prophet appear melodramatic, but we can't read and appreciate the force of God's Word coming to him and the horrors of judgement to follow. It must have been awful to hear and then to proclaim it. Wasn't the best job being a prophet at that time.

Lasting strength: The eternal Spirit of God

We are all travelers in this world and of course He is the one in the driver's seat or the captain of our souls ( Heb. 2:10). Our parents seem to have us as their possession and rightly so but of course all souls belong to God ( Ezekiel 18:4). This mindset of course has to encompass all things whether physical; material; mental or emotional as ALL things were created by Him for His good pleasure ( Rev. 4:11 apparently I overlooked that verse earlier). It only makes sense that He brings all His creatures that are blood bought and adopted into His family back to Him at some point.

With all my talks earlier regarding humanism; it is hard to avoid seeing the many aspects of stability our society had in the past gone largely to the wayside. Gone are the days when someone smoking a cigarette or having a fist fight was the worst bully we have to worry about in high school. Gone are any real values at all; even those things which people had such passion about in the past that were rebellious still had some genuine emotion; today it is hard to find much genuine at all. People a generation ago would laugh at those so obsessed with a bad meme or comment about someone so that we can't laugh at ourselves if anything. With everyone so hypersensitive someone's rights are always violated and we have to step on eggshells to avoid a conflict.

It is almost hard to believe restraint to some extent is still being given; and this no doubt is largely due to many lukewarm believers not being the salt and light so that the world has putrefied prematurely. Persecution will have to accompany any real revival should it break out before He comes for His church and that means people have to be willing to count the cost first in their personal lives. You don't need to tell anyone if someone is sold out for the Lord it is evident; you either see love or hatred come their way.

Proverbs 18:24 talks about God closer than a brother.

Thanks Brother Ronald.

I got your reply, thanks for responding.

Here is what I'm doing.

There is three major viewpoints on the Millennium, as discussed in Christian eschatology,

Premillennialism,

Amillennialism, and

Postmillennialism.

These views differ primarily in their interpretation of the 1,000-year reign of Christ mentioned in Revelation 20

This is to compare how these three groups interpret the Bible concerning the end time scenario after the tribulation period on into the Millennium.

We all fall in one of these groups.

Thanks for giving yours, I will give the sequence in the way I interpret it after I get some more responses.

This is not to debate but to show the different ways this section of scripture is interpreted between the three groups.

So Your belief is there is the wrath of God after the sixth seal, in Revelation 6:12-17. This is when Jesus returns to earth, and when Jesus returns, it will be as in Mathew 24:29-31. We will then meet Him in the air, and we all come down together to populate the Millenium

The ones cast into the lake of fire are those living or killed who worshiped the beast and received his mark.

That leaves those in Christ who are in the first resurrection who returns with Christ and nations of people who neither worshiped the beast nor received his mark, nor believed in Jesus. This may have been after the fullness of the Gentiles, and they may have missed the opportunity.

Then Satan is loosed to deceive the nations to gather them together to battle and then comes the final Judgment of the rest of the dead.

Thanks Brother.

And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

8And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

9And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,

10The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. ( Rev. 4:7-11)

Again as with the earlier commentary on Revelation there isn't much need to elaborate. We see in Revelation 15 those standing in front of the throne victorious over the mark of the Beast as martyrs. Here we see what seems to clearly be literal beasts; creatures of God created for worship.

This is our real future; as clearly spelled out as to the visual effects which we can comprehend. We only can understand truly in the Spirit; with these sights and sounds listed in the Book of Revelation. This is our soon eventuality; we need to rejoice seeing this coming. If we are not ready of course it is terrifying. My prayer today is that the Lord will move those on this site to get right with God today if necessary. Many are spiritually ill no doubt. This will drive some to sudden realization as His children know His voice. Others after meditation and seeking His face with prayer and scripture reading slowly will get their spiritual eyes where they belong. We in this world are saturated with things in our minds and with the demon spirits around us and of course He has the power to set us free.

Never look to people for all the answers. Seek His face

Thank you Lbooth1955; very well analysed and written. Even as the Apostle Paul addressed the Gentiles specifically (in Romans 11:13) that in that short discourse ( Romans 11:13-26) the Church was the 'organism' grafted into the good Olive Tree (Israel of God's Kingdom) and not the other way around. That we have nothing to be proud of, "Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee." If it were not for the Olive Tree (the true Israel rooted in the faith of Abraham, Isaac, & Israel), we Gentiles would have no right or access to be grafted into that tree to receive salvation by the same faith and of the blessings that follow.

Indeed, Israel and the Church will always be separate. Only when "Israel shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away" ( 2 Corinthians 3:15,16), and the 'mystery of the united Church of Jew & Gentile' be fully realized in all being gathered in. But I perceive that Israel shall endure much suffering, when at the end, the remnant among them will see the One Whom they pierced ( John 19:37: once at the crucifixion; and then finally reminded, affirmed and believed on at His second Coming, Zechariah 12:9-11). Blessings.

After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

3And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

4And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

5And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

6And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. ( Revelation 4:1-6).

In searching the Scriptures as far as Revelation is concerned, I don't see any shortcuts can give sufficient credit to honor God's glory s I am writing out this and will also for the rest of this chapter.

The first verse certainly seems clear as to being an event immediately after the churches are mentioned in chapters 2 and 3; and we are reminded of the open door for the Philadelphia church. The trumpet also reminds us of the last trump as mentioned in Thessalonians as well. Jesus comes when He finally does quickly; and we see that immediately John was taken in one form or another to the throne room. The symbolism in verse 3 is like in Ezekiel for the throne and the one on it; and the 24 elders symbolize the church in general. Verse 5 describes all of the churches being in the presence of God; the sevenfold Spirit as it were; and the last describes cherubim and the sea of glass. Let us envision this as it is what heaven looks like!

Agape.

Hello Free,

Thank you so much. Your kindness is such a blessing!

I leave you with Romans 15:13: Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, for you to abound in hope, in power of the Holy Spirit. (Literal Translation).

We find hope as God's Spirit empowers us in Christ. We're told not to please ourselves, but rather to love our neighbor, which would be you and I, and all other believers. We are to love one another for the good, that is, the good in Christ!

My dear sister, I send my love back to you in Christ Jesus!

God Bless!!!

S Spencer,

1 "Can you tell me how you interpret the events after the tribulation period, on into the Millennium, when Satan is chained and when he is loosed?"

I will do my best to show my understanding of your questions. My study is simple, and I rely on the Bible for interpretation. I use Word Search, a concordance, and my Bible provides other verses that cross-reference a word or phrase throughout Scripture.

The book of Revelation is not in chronological order. We see in Revelation 1:7, that when He comes in the clouds, every eye will see Him. Revelation 6:12-17 shows a vision given to John after the Sixth Seal, revealing the signs of Jesus' coming. Cross-references include Joel 2:10-11, 30-31, Matthew 24, and others.

In Revelation 11:15-19, the seventh trumpet, or the last trumpet, signals the coming of Jesus, ending the tribulation and beginning God's wrath. Revelation 14 combines visions that are not in order; we see Jesus standing on Mount Zion with the 144000, which would occur after Revelation 19:11-16. We know this because, when He returns, His feet will land on the Mount of Olives, as described in Zechariah 14:4.

Revelation 14:6-7 describes the angel preaching the everlasting gospel, which must occur near the end of the tribulation. The announcement of Babylon's fall is seen in chapters 17 and 18. Revelation 14:9-11 states the fate of those who worship the beast, take its mark, and follow the beast and the false prophet. This is carried out in Revelation 19:20-21.

Revelation 14:12-13 declares, "Blessed are those who die in the Lord from henceforth," even as the tribulation continues. My understanding of Revelation 14:14-16, which covers the harvest and the first resurrection, is supported by passages like Revelation 19:11-16, Revelation 20:4-6, and Matthew 24:29-31. Revelation 14:17-20 describes the battle of Armageddon, with related references in Revelation 19:17-21, Ezekiel 39:17-21, and Luke 17:37.

See Part 2

S Spencer.

Part two

In Revelation 20:1-3, Satan is cast into the bottomless pit, where he will be held so he cannot deceive the nations anymore. This will last for a thousand years. The Beast, the false prophet, and I assume all the fallen angels are bathing in the lake of fire. I am unsure about the fallen angels because Scripture does not specify, but we know that it is their destiny.

Also, tell me who populates the Millennium?

As we read Revelation, considering the Great Tribulation and God's wrath, Earth has sustained massive damage. However, the only ones cast into the lake of fire are those living or killed who worshiped the beast and received his mark.

That leaves those in Christ who are in the first resurrection, and nations of people who neither worshiped the beast nor received his mark, nor believed in Jesus. This may have been after the fullness of the Gentiles, and they may have missed the opportunity.

The land of Israel will be restored, Ezekiel 11:17, Jeremiah 23:5-6, and members of the tribes of Israel that will be gathered from all the nations will inhabit that land during the 1000 years, Jeremiah 29:14. Other nations will, as seen in Zechariah 14:16-20, witness Jesus ruling with a rod of iron; there are other Scriptures about this time.

Later, after 1000 years, Satan gathers a multitude as numerous as the sands of the sea to encamp against the camp of the saints in Jerusalem. Then fire consumes them, and Satan is cast into the Lake of Fire. Then comes the final Judgment of the rest of the dead.

Hey brother, I hope you can understand this. I tried to keep it brief because I didn't want to send a big message, given the site today. I also tried not to be too long-winded out of consideration for others. Any questions, let me know. I may have bumbled trying to keep it short.

God bless,

RLW

Hello all dear friends. Had to follow up on the word "heretics". Cathars is the name of a Christian movement. But they did not follow the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. Dark Middle Ages this. The word then came to slander other believing people. Abuse of power, we can say, was carried out quite strongly at that time. ps. Heretics were tortured, beheaded and what is worse for their Christian faith. They did not follow the gloomy and loveless, money-grubbing church. Personally, I see that I had retreated there. became a Cathar. When I looked up dispensationalism, it became an opinion and have a right and can get permission to change things. That is, to do a thing/matter that is not allowed, Allowed, simply put. So here it becomes like making the rules as they suit you as you go forward. Or when you have the whispering game around a table, in company. You know the word you first said ends up with something completely different. It can be fun..

Just a little note, on how things and situations can be perceived. You are all so patient. I love you all in Christ. And remember it is okay to take a little break sometimes. Take care of yourself and all your others. And I have read your posts here and find this word dispensationalism completely beyond all reasonableness. It seems that this word is used a lot where you see a lot of money and in the laws of injustice. There you can change things, so that it fits into the plot. Law maybe it is used a lot in. And people experience a lot of injustice in the legal system. Look at those who are innocently convicted, or in disputes over inheritance. Where no one is really satisfied. And many other situations. In my shower room I have painted these words on the wall. "You are happiest if you are content with what you have". So greed must be far from me. Mark 7:21 Maybe I'm wrong, but in today's law books a lot has changed. Stay safe. Joh 21

Beautifully written Jesse, love you in Christ.

Hey brother S Spencer,

It may be tomorrow when I reply, I wrote your questions down. It looks like your post is almost off the discussion page. If I can reply to it I will post it new

God bless,

RLW

1 Sam.15.23 Sin of "Tares" (2 of 2)

God proved them does not mean curse of disobeying and blessing for obeying the voice of God in some parts are allowed. This is like the curate when asked by his host to the quality of food served at the table answered 'Some parts good and the rest,... 'only to throw up ver the table This is what heretical Dispensationalist try to foist upon believers in this forum.These asses with itching ears speak of national boundaries having borders so will king Saul justify disobedience with these words, " And Samuel said, What meaneth then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?/And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed." 15:14-15). Seven dispensations allow them to play with history and with God as though the holiness of God is putty to play with. The Truth here is laid out black and white: whole or nothing. The tares growing in the natural world chosen by Israel show they repudiated the Covenant where a believer is complete in Jesus Christ.

" for thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, and the Lord hath rejected thee from being king over Israel."(v.26) The same fate awaits these sects who cut and paste Christ. Do they fear people as Saul was No they want to add to the number of their congregation.

1 Sam. 15.23 'Sin of disobedience" (1 of 2)

"For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king."

Here we have two worlds where faith separates one from the other. The world framed by the word of God there is one king in whom it pleased the Father that his fullness should dwell bodily.. "And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power." Here is another of his fulness which is established by a decree,"The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."(Ps.110.4). The context in which Abraham meets Melchizedek meets shows Abraham as a double for the Son. In the battle of the five kings against four Abraham emerged as the victor. Melchizedek blesses him and it was to confirm was the heir of promise of all blessings in heaven and earth guaranteed under the everlasting Covenant. So there is only one kingdom in the kingdom of God. The memorial of four and twenty elders confirm this truth. " And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."(Rev.5.10) Their authority comes from the Lamb who has prevailed to open the bound book with seven seals. Here is worship in truth and Spirit. Jesus Christ made us priests and kings, for which we have them arranged about the Lamb on mount Sion.(Rev.14.1)

So what is Saul but God allowed the nation of Israel, cursed for disobedience. God proved the Israelites at Marah, reminding thm of the Covenant under which Abraham was confirmed as the heir of promise. God would not give on the natural world so he lived with other heirs of promise in tents.""By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:/For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God"(Heb.11.9-10)"

To all that be in Christ,

Page 4 - Three Programs, One God

The Bible contains not just Old Testament and New Testament, but also the Mystery revealed to Paul. The Old Testament deals with national Israel under the law. The New Testament is made with the house of Israel and Judah ( Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:8). The Mystery concerns the body of Christ-Jews and Gentiles united in one new man by grace ( Eph 3:6).

Romans 2:29 belongs to Israel's covenant context, not the church's identity. Israel's inward circumcision is about covenant faithfulness; the church's standing is based on being placed "in Christ" apart from law or nationality. Mixing these destroys the distinct purposes God has for each.

Conclusion: You are not spiritual Israel. Israel remains God's chosen nation with earthly promises, while the church is a heavenly body revealed in the Mystery. Right division preserves both programs and glorifies God's wisdom in keeping them distinct.

God Bless

To all that be in Christ,

Page 3 - Romans 2 and Spiritual Israel

Romans 2:29 is frequently used to say "true Israel is spiritual, therefore the church is spiritual Israel." But Paul is speaking in Romans 2:17 to Jews-people "called a Jew" under the Old Testament law. Israel's outward circumcision had become worthless through disobedience ( Rom 2:23-25). True covenant Jews are those circumcised in heart ( Deut 10:16), not just outwardly.

Paul is addressing unbelieving Israel, not redefining the church. In Romans 9:6-11, he describes removing faithless Jews ("dead branches")-but does not replace them with Gentiles. The "doers of the law" were not Gentiles, nor the church ( Rom 3:19-21). Spiritual Israel in the New Testament is believing Israel under the new covenant ( Heb 8:8-12).

Jesus declared in Matthew 21:43 that the kingdom would be taken from unbelieving Israel and given to a believing Israelite nation-not the body of Christ. The NT replaces the OT within Israel's program, but the church is separate, revealed as the "mystery" apart from covenant promises.

God Bless

To all that be in Christ,

Page 2 - What Makes Israel?

Israel is not just a generic "spiritual people." They are a chosen nation descended physically from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob ( Gen 28:13; Ex 4:22). God gave them covenants, circumcision, and the law ( Rom 9:4). They were promised an inheritance-a land and kingdom over all nations ( Isa 2:2-3; Deut 7:6).

A true nation requires three elements: land (boundaries), laws (government and blessing), and lineage (birthright). Israel's national status is inseparable from the flesh ( Eph 2:11-12; 1 Pet 2:9). They were chosen to be priests to the world ( Isa 61:6) with access to both physical and spiritual blessings. To inherit this, they had to be born again ( John 3:3-8).

In contrast, believers today-Jews or Gentiles-receive blessings in Christ without Israel or their covenants ( Eph 3:6). The church is not tied to Israel's land, laws, or lineage; it is a new creature ( 2 Cor 5:17) formed by grace through faith.

God Bless

To all that are in Christ,

PG1

Romans 2:29 declares... ("he is a Jew, which is one inwardly") is often misused to claim that the church is "spiritual Israel." This is the foundation of Replacement Theology, which teaches the body of Christ inherits all covenant promises given to Israel. Many groups-Roman Catholic, Reformed, Church of Christ-fail to rightly divide and thus merge Israel's prophetic promises with the church.

Undisputed facts: In the Old Testament, God chose and made promises to the nation of Israel. In the New Testament, many promises are fulfilled through the Spirit, but "true Israel" is not redefined as the church. Replacement Theology says the church fulfills Israel's covenants, partakes of their spiritual things ( Rom 15:27), and inherits what was promised to them ( Gal 3:29; Eph 2:13). It equates NT circumcision, law, and kingdom language with the church's identity.

You and I are not spiritual Israel. God's covenants with Israel remain tied to their national identity. The body of Christ is a distinct entity, not foretold in prophecy, but revealed later to Paul as "the mystery" ( Eph 3:1-9). Confusing Israel and the church distorts God's separate purposes for each.

God Bless

Thanks Chris,

I will keep on reading what you and others have to say on these topics.

Thanks for the respectful dialogue. I appreciate that very much.

Mr. Spencer,

Thank you for referencing Romans 11. This is a prime example of why we must allow the Bible to be its OWN DICTIONARY and its OWN INTERPRETER.

And why we must apply the principle that Christ, the author of the entire Bible, spoke in parables and without a vs parable spake He not.

First, the "Fulness of the Gentiles" will be completed when all of God's elect have been saved at the Last Day.

Second, in verse 26, the Israel, and the Jacob that God is speaking about is all of the elect of God, both Jewsvand Gentiles whom God is saving right up until the last day.

So God here is teaching that there is a remnant from national Israel, just as there is a remnant from all the nations that God is saving right up until the last day.

This is not teaching that there is some period where all in the nation of Israel will be saved. This is an eternal promise which applies to God's salvation program as he continues to save a remnant from every nation, including those from national Israel, right up until the end.

A beautiful truth that God is not a respect of persons.

I have nothing more to say: I placed this matter before God and He shall defend my cause. You shall know the difference between what is holy and what is not. Amen,

Jer.11.1-4 "In the day"

"Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt."

This is the word of God that God spoke through Jeremiah, 'And speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.'

The day refers to the decree of God," Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."(Ps.2.7) The Son is none other than Jesus Christ who is the word become flesh. The Word was with God sets Jeremiah after our likeness' is a double. Joseph is a double after in our image' so Joseph and Jeremiah are tagged by 12 and 7 respectively. This we see in Elim where the Israelites came and it was God who 'brought them forth out of the land of Egypt.

"And they came to Elim, where were twelve wells of water, and threescore and ten palm trees: and they encamped there by the waters."(Exod,15,27) What does 12 indicate? It is the gospel of God. 70 palm trees refers the Law of the Spirit. Encamping there signifies the Covenant of seven days made manifest. The rest of God on the day Seven has all the principal elements set up by the water. Let us look what holds these together.

"And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter." Now we a tree that God chose for the people: "5 And he cried unto the Lord; and the Lord shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them.(15.22) He proved them that they cannot have rest or enter therein without the tree. It references the tree of life and also the proof why they shall be accursed. The cross on which his Son was hung up established the curse. " Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant,"(Jer.11.3) There he put their faith to test. So what do we hear? "But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

In Verse 8 of chapter 1: "Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls." who is "I"? Is it Micah? Or a reference to the people there?

One more important note here Brother Jesse on the last thing I stated.

Romans 11:25-26. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

This was written after the Church was already formed!

So this is distinct from what happened in Acts where we see the Church formed, Jews and Gentiles with the Gentiles being grafted in and Israel "as a nation " blinded. Their ministry which they performed under the Levitical economy and covenant was in part.

There's two groups here.

There's no replacement.

Blessings.

Romans 11:22

"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

Greetings

Hey Brother Jesse.

I'm multitasking and forgot a few things.

I don't have the time and luxury of proof reading my texts.

Continuing.

When someone wants you to look at his "Great readings" to authenticate their salvation they want you to look at the work of their own hands!

They over emphasize the work of the Holyspirit working in their lives.

That sometimes can be a proud heart.

The Holyspirit should be using you to point people to the sustainer of our faith and that may not show up with ink on paper that displays your great intellect but it shows in the love for the Brothern. 1 John 4:21. and this is not a performance, it's a virtue.

Dispensationalism. a way of interpreting the Bible that divides history into distinct "dispensations" or periods, each characterized by a unique way God relates to humanity. A key aspect is the distinction between Israel and the Church, with the belief that God has separate plans for each.

We certainly see that between the Old and new testament. If not the Church wouldn't be considered a mystery.

A core principle is the literal interpretation of Scripture, particularly prophecy, believing that God's promises to Israel will be literally fulfilled.

That's clearly emphasized in the New and old testament.

Salvation is by the cross but is obviously displayed differently.

We look back on it. It's displayed historically.

and we're persuaded and sealed.

Israel was persuaded to believe in the works they performed pointing to something that was to come. There was no cross behind them to look back to.

If we stop there we see two different economies being pointed to the work of a person. The Lamb of God.

That's a form of dispensationalism before we even get into eschatology.

It's the way and time the entire message of salvation for the Church and the Jews makes it dispensational.

Romans 11:25-26.

Dispensationalism!

Blessings

Goodmorning Brother Jesse.

I remember you taught from this scripture.

1 Corinthians 11:18-19 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

You might think I'm crazy but Bennymkje defines a great subject matter.

A person can't help but be true to who they are and they wax worse and worse.

He has hatred towards the Brotherhood.

Bennymkje exemplifies what we see in Galatians 5:19-21.

What you believe in your heart shapes you!

We're Identified by that.

You shall know them by their fruits!

I remember the first conversation he and I ever had. He wanted to correct me on something I said and I didn't reply to his rebuttal but instead I asked him what is his take on the doctrine of salvation, he proudly said look at some of his writings and I would see the fruit of his labor.

I told him I've tried reading some of his material but he doesn't stick to a subject matter and I'm not interested.

He replied "He does what the Spirit tells him to do and that's my lost.

Then came the little digs!

I told him I don't believe in his way of interpreting scripture spiritualizing all the text.

I haven't read anything else he has written and not a bit curious.

He's hated me ever since!

But he can be useful in manifesting his brother's and sisters.

Blessings.